Did Padme love Anakin?

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  1. MOC Vober Dand Manager Emeritus

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    Of course she loved him. She married him and had his children, despite the fact that on many levels she felt that she should have little to do with him. I think the attraction to Anakin was the result of a few things. First, he adored the ground that she walked on, and that's attractive. Secondly, he tapped into a part of Padme that she'd had to deny for years because of her official duties and she found that she liked that side of herself and was naturally attracted to the one who reignited it. Thirdly, Anakin's a good lookin guy with some kick-ass powers at his disposal. Who wouldn't go for a guy who could cut up a pear in mid-air like that? Fourthly, girls always like dangerous men and you don't get much more dangerous than Darth Vader! Unfortunately, as in so many relationships, the danger that is initially so attractive ultimately brings about the downfall of the relationship. Padme would've been happier in the long run if she'd gone with a less exciting, but less dangerous guy. Jar jar? No-big ears and annoying voice and I don't even want to think about what he lookes like naked. 3PO? No-gay. What about Captain Typho? He's pretty good looking, responsible and best of all he's a New Zealander! If she hooked up with him she might end up with an Oscar!
  2. doctoryoda Jedi Master

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    Padme loved Anakin the whole movie. She was just in denial.
  3. rodan70 Jedi Padawan

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    I think it was just lust, Not love. And when they both survived the battle of Geonosis, she was in to deep. Tell me something, Did she look happy in the wedding scene at the end of the movie?
  4. gezvader28 Jedi Grand Master

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    You obviously don't know women, do you?

    Feel free to impart your wisdom.

    When a woman sees a good looking man that they find attractive, a smile is the only thing they need to hide their giddiness and excitement from him so that he doesn't suspect that she's attracted to him.

    [face_laugh] oh really. Wow. I?m more popular than I thought !
    you said earlier about his scene : ?her hormones went wild? and she ?supressed it?. So ? when a woman smiles at a man that means that her hormones have gone wild does it? And the smile is her way of hiding it?

    (O...kay, to any guys reading that little theory on female behavior ? you might wanna take it with a large pinch of salt.)

    So her feelings are evident by their absence. That?s a convenient theory.
    Of course it could be applied to almost anything ? she could be smiling to hide her urge to pick her nose, after all she?s not picking her nose so she must be supressing it right?
    I don?t think so.

    Padme isn?t smiling to hide anything, she has a good reason to smile ? she?s being reunited with the kid who saved her planet and she hasn?t seen him in 10 years.

    So far I?m not impressed with the lesson.

    For all we know, Anakin was only watching Padme just to see if she's okay and that Zam the assassain hadn't succeeded with her second assasination attempt and last I check, that kind of act is NOT stalkerish, it's being the defender of peace and justice in the galaxy like a Jedi should be.

    [looks around] Who mentioned Stalkers? I assume you?re still addressing my points.
    And I still think Anakin?s guess is correct. his behavior was apparent to everyone in the room at the reunion, he even came out with a lame chat-up line.

    See, that's where you're mistaken because both Han and Luke are outside and we don't know who Leia feels for the most.

    ?[face_plain] I think you?ll find it?s you who is mistaken. I never said anything about who Leia feels for the most.
    You said you supposed I didn?t notice Leia?s reaction.
    I said your supposition was wrong.
    It?s still wrong.


    It's not the looking startled part that reveals the indication, it's ,again, the part where Anakin is running out of the bedroom and Padme's head is pointing in the same direction he's going that reveals it.


    Padme?s head pointing in the same direction ?.? Are you putting me on? Well ? I can only assume you?re serious.
    If George Lucas thinks that a head pointing at someone as they leave the room is indicative of ?Romantic feelings? , then no wonder this love story is a disaster!
    Hell, Chewbacca?s head was ?pointing? at Ben when he left the room, but it doesn't make Chewie gay.

    How can the Naboo people be selfish when they have no knowledge of what their Queen was doing during her time away from Naboo. It's like you're suggesting that that they are all aware of Padme's relationship with Shmi but if that were true, then I would agree that they would let Padme go and free her but as it is, they know absolutely nothing so they are not going to let Padme abandon her responsibilities as their Queen despite what she has done for them.

    Who said anything about Padme abandoning her responsibilities?
    Arranging for the rescue of one slave does not mean that Naboo will collapse into anarchy or that Padme abandons her people. What are you talking about?

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  5. AdamBertocci Manager

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    Oh, THIS is just great. People informing each other they don't know about women... ON A STAR WARS INTERNET MESSAGE BOARD.

    In other news, an area pot recently made strong allegations regarding a local kettle's coloring. :p



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  6. MOC Vober Dand Manager Emeritus

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    In my experience no-one understands women. Not even women.
  7. mixza Jedi Padawan

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    Do men understand men? ;)
  8. AdamBertocci Manager

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    I don't think there's all that much about us to understand, to be perfectly frank.


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  9. BrownEyes_Blue Jedi Youngling

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    Yes Padme did love Anakin.....in fact, she still loves him.

    I have no problem with the love story at all (for me, it was what attracted me to AOTC in the first place)....Padme fell in love with Anakin over the course of the film, but was afraid to admit it to herself....and only when she realized that she may die did she actually admit to herself and most importantly...to Anakin. So to answer the original questions.....of course!
  10. PMT99 Jedi Master

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    "Padme's isn't smiling to hide anything, she has a good reason to smile - she's being reunited with the kid who saved her planet and she hasn't seen him in 10 years."

    She's also aroused by the sight of that very kid who has now grown into a teenage hunk and is playing "hard to get" just so he doesn't notice.

    "So far I'm not impressed with the lesson."

    And I'm not suprised that you didn't pay attention.

    "[looks around] Who mentioned Stalkers? I assume you're still addressing my points. And I still think Anakin's guess is correct."

    The fact that you believed that Anakin's guess is correct is what suggests that he was being stalkerish when he was watching Padme.

    "You said you supposed I didn't notice Leia's reaction.
    I said your supposition was wrong.
    It's still wrong."

    If you're able to notice Leia's reaction but not Padme's, then it's NOT wrong because women are good at hiding their feelings when it comes to being confronted by any man they find attractive.

    "If George Lucas thinks that a head pointing at someone as they leave the room is indicative of "Romantic feelings", then no wonder the love story is a disaster."

    Oh, and having 2 people shouting profanity at each other one minute, and be all kissy-kissy the next makes it better.[sarcasm]

    Seriously, if that wasn't an indication then how do you describe the nightclub scene where Anakin walks past the purple twilek and she looks at him seductively?

    "Who said anything about Padme abandoning her responsibilities? Arranging for the rescue of one slave does not mean that Naboo will collapse into anarchy or that Padme abandons her people. What are you talking about?"

    The rescue of one slave IS abandoning your responsibilties because what goes on in Tatooine has nothing to do with what transpires on Naboo.
  11. gezvader28 Jedi Grand Master

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    She's also aroused by the sight of that very kid who has now grown into a teenage hunk and is playing "hard to get" just so he doesn't notice.

    She's playing hard to get as well?!
    So, according to you, her hormones have gone wild, she's smiling to hide her giddyness and her excitement, she's playing hard to get and she's smiling 'cos she's pleased to see him. All in this one scene where she greets him.
    Did I leave anything out?
    btw - when she stops smiling a few seconds later how is she hiding her 'wild hormones and giddy excitement'?

    The fact that you believed that Anakin's guess is correct is what suggests that he was being stalkerish when he was watching Padme.

    And the fact that it's Anakin's idea that I'm agreeing means that you must think Anakin thinks his behavior is 'stalkerish'. [face_laugh]

    And I'm not suprised that you didn't pay attention.


    If you're able to notice Leia's reaction but not Padme's, then it's NOT wrong because women are good at hiding their feelings when it comes to being confronted by any man they find attractive.

    I did notice Leia's reaction, and I noticed Padme's reaction, I never said anything about women being good or bad at hiding their feelings.
    I'll say it again - You said you supposed I didn't notice Leia's reaction, I said your supposition is wrong.
    It's still wrong.
    (What was that you were saying about not paying attention ?)
    If you're going to tell me I'm wrong again on this matter then prove that I DIDN'T notice Leia's reaction.

    Oh, and having 2 people shouting profanity at each other one minute, and be all kissy-kissy the next makes it better.[sarcasm]

    ?[face_plain] What?

    Seriously, if that wasn't an indication then how do you describe the nightclub scene where Anakin walks past the purple twilek and she looks at him seductively?

    Padme doesn't have that expression on her face in the scene where Anakin runs out of the room. Do you think she does? How can you even compare the two scenes?
    Your comparisons are all over the place.

    The rescue of one slave IS abandoning your responsibilties because what goes on in Tatooine has nothing to do with what transpires on Naboo.

    Ohhh.... I see. What goes on in Tatooine has nothing to do with what transpires on Naboo.
    Well it did in TPM.
    Perhaps you've forgot - what happened on Tatooine had a lot to do with Naboo. Padme got stranded there. Shmi welcomed her into her home, gave her food and then agreed to let her only child risk his life to help her. She risked everything for Padme.
    That all happened on Tatooine and has a lot to do with Naboo.

    And what does Padme do in return? She's not being asked to risk the life of a family member, she's not being asked to abandon Naboo, or to help someone she doesn't know. She has the resources, she doesn't even have to go herself.
    But according to you she'll forget this woman who did so much for her because "what goes on in Tatooine has nothing to do with what transpires on Naboo."


    If that's her reason then she's despicable.

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  12. MaraJade2006 Jedi Youngling

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    I think they loved each other! They knew they weren't *supposed* to get married, but they did it anyway. They wouldn't just do that if it wasn't real love. (especially not Padme. She was very quick to dismiss Anakin's love when he admitted he was in love with her. She didn't have any reason to bring up the subject, but she brought it up again because she loved him!) :)
  13. openmind Jedi Padawan

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    If that's her reason then she's despicable.

    Padme isn't there to correct all the "wrongs" in the galaxy. Putting one slave above another is even more despicable, IMO.

  14. PMT99 Jedi Master

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    "When she stops smiling a few seconds later how is she hiding her 'wild hormones and giddy excitement'?"

    By being the tough politician that she is and address her concerns about her unknown assassin who is trying to kill her.

    "And the fact that it's Anakin's idea that I'm agreeing means that you must think Anakin thinks his behavior is 'stalkerish'. :D"

    I don't have to think, I know it because there are other people here who believe that Anakin was being a peeping tom when he made that suggestion and that's just not true because it is a bodygaurd's job to check on his client to see if he/she is okay even if they have to use cameras to do it which is, again, what Anakin was doing and Padme made a grave mistake covering the cameras because she's putting herself in danger of being assassinated.

    "I did notice Leia's reaction, and I notice Padme's reaction, I never said anything about women being good or bad at hiding their feelings. I'll say again - You said you supposed I didn't notice Leia's reaction, I said your supposition is wrong.
    It's still wrong."

    I said that to counter your opinion that there was no indication of romantic feelings from Padme during the creepy crawler scene and I've already pointed out which part of the scene shows the indication.

    " ?[face_plain] What?"

    Did you not read the word "sarcasm" near the end of my sentence?

    "Padme doesn't have the expression on her face in the scene where Anakin runs out of the room. Do you think she does? How can you even compare the two scenes?"

    Both women were looking at Anakin as he leaves and even though we don't see Padme's face, the expression is still clear.

    "Ohhh....I see. What goes on in Tatooine has nothing to do with what transpires on Naboo.
    Well it did in TPM.
    Perhaps you've forgot - what happened on Tatooine had a lot to do with Naboo. Padme got stranded there. Shmi welcomed her into her home, gave her food and then agreed to let her only child risk his life to help her. She risked everything for Padme.
    That all happened on Tatooine and has a lot to do with Naboo."

    The only things that DIDN'T happen on Tatooine was Shmi asking Padme to come back and free her once Naboo is freed from the Trade Feds, Shmi even going with Padme back to Naboo to help free her people, nor was it even Padme's idea to free Anakin in the first place because she didn't even want him involved in her plight("You sure about this? Trusting our fate to a boy we hardly know? The Queen will NOT approve").

    "And what does Padme do in return? She's not being asked to risk the life of a family member, she's not being asked to abandon Naboo, or to help someone she doesn't know. She has the resources, she doesn't even have to go herself. But according to you she'll forget this woman who did so much for her because "what goes on in Tatooine has nothing to do what transpires on Naboo".

    If that's her reason then she's despicable."

    I'm NOT saying that Padme should forget about Shmi, I'm saying that even if she could find someone to go in her place, she still doesn't have permission to go to Tatooine to free a slave because Tatooine doesn't exist to the Republic and she doesn't have the authority or the jurisdiction to go across the galaxy freeing slaves even if she's the Queen.

    You keep suggesting that it's Padme's duty to free Shmi but it isn't, Being the Queen of Naboo is her duty.
  15. gezvader28 Jedi Grand Master

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    I said that to counter your opinion that there was no indication of romantic feelings from Padme during the creepy crawler scene and I've already pointed out which part of the scene shows the indication.

    It doesn't counter my opinion at all. Leia is worried about Han and Luke, Padme is just watching Anakin run out the room. The scenes are so different I don't know how you can compare them.

    Both women were looking at Anakin as he leaves and even though we don't see Padme's face, the expression is still clear.

    ....Well! I think that sums up your ideas perfectly!
    Thankyou.
    "we don't see Padme's face, the expression is still clear".
    This is on a par with your other idea :
    "as Anakin was running out of the bedroom, you can see that Padme was looking in the same direction he was going and that indicates her romantic feelings for Anakin. "

    It's quite obvious now that you're just projecting what you want to see onto the film.

    I'm NOT saying that Padme should forget about Shmi, I'm saying that even if she could find someone to go in her place, she still doesn't have permission to go to Tatooine to free a slave because Tatooine doesn't exist to the Republic and she doesn't have the authority or the jurisdiction to go across the galaxy freeing slaves even if she's the Queen.

    "jurisdiction" ? She doesn't need jurisdiction, she's not arresting anyone. She doesn't need authority, slaves can be sold and bought on Tatooine. Nor does she have to go across the galaxy, in galactic terms Tatooine is 'next door'. She doesn't even have to go herself.

    You keep suggesting that it's Padme's duty to free Shmi but it isn't, Being the Queen of Naboo is her duty.

    And Shmi's 'duty' was to her son, her only child, but she was still prepared to risk his life to help Padme.
    Is Padme the sort to ignore that?
    Look -
    the human and personal side of all this won?t go away , it?s there in the movies.
    Shmi is a slave, she has one child, to her that must be everything, any parent would say so I?m sure. These strangers arrive and she welcomes them, then it transpires that the only way they can be helped is for her son to enter a pod-race, a sport which is incredibly dangerous, there?s a good chance he?ll be killed. And yet she agrees to it. She agrees to put herself through the agony of risking her child?s life.
    In terms of human decency, generosity and courage that is monumental.
    Wouldn?t you agree?
    Could you ignore someone who did such a thing for you?
    More importantly ? how do you think Padme would feel? Wouldn't she feel incredibly indebted to her and Want to help her?

    Padme's duty is to Naboo, but she also has a duty to herself, her own sense of decency, of right and wrong. And all your excuses are diminishing her as a character, not helping her.

    Padme doesn't have to give up her duty to Naboo, risk her families' life etc. all Padme has to do is arrange for her to be bought out of slavery. Compared to what Shmi did for her that's not much.


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  16. Darth Geist Jedi Master

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    Putting one slave above another is even more despicable, IMO.

    Yeah, if you can't help everyone in the universe, why help anyone at all? (No matter how much you owe them?)

    Bah.

    It's quite obvious now that you're just projecting what you want to see onto the film.

    Bingo.
  17. openmind Jedi Padawan

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    Bah.

    The UN would be proud ;)




  18. Admiral_Lobot Jedi Youngling

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    I certainly hope Padme loved Anakin, because otherwise the entire Star Wars Saga is a story about lust and fathering illigitimate children.
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