Did Tartokovsky succeed where Lucas failed?

Is it just me or did the overall feel of Clone Wars capture the "50's Serial" feel far better than the Prequels and even the OT. Just something about the opening and the cliffhangers just felt more like one of the old serials. Just an observation to put out there.

 

I feel they've both succeeded tremendously. But Tartokovsky is the only person that I trust with SW besides Lucas.

 

I don't think Lucas has really failed at anything, but I think that Clone Wars has definately fleshed out what Ben said in A New Hope: about Obi-Wan fighting in the Clone Wars, about Anakin being the "best star-pilot in the galaxy", and Anakin being "seduced by the dark side of the Force." There are examples of these in the films (and I'm sure there will be even more in Episode III). There's also some of this in the books and comics, but the average viewer will likely never read them. If someone just sees the cartoon in addition to the films, I think they'll have a better feel for the story because of it.

 

No.

 

I feel they've both succeeded tremendously. But Tartokovsky is the only person that I trust with SW besides Lucas.

I agree totally with appleseed here.

Genndy had a smaller story to tell, but he did it better than I could have ever expected. As a 27-year long fan of the series, Genndy has earned my 100 percent trust with Star Wars, and I think that's the biggest compliment I could give him.

And Genndy is playing in Lucas' sandbox, let's not lose sight of that.

 

Agreed. Genndy & Co. went beyond expectations for me, but the entire thing was set up by Lucas.

I think (a) the CW shorts were over-the-top, pure action, 5-minute shorts with no real point (with the expections of maybe the Anakin arc); (b) the PT is difficult in some ways because things aren't as clear cut.

With the CW shorts, it's straight-up, good vs. evil, with as much action as possible. But they don't have any points to make really, no character development, although the script was far better than I thought it would be.

It would be interesting to see what they would do with 1/2-hour segments - it might not work as well.

It's also kind of like the ultimate fan tribute, where the films, it's all about Lucas' vision and the themes he wants to bring across.

Apples and oranges - but both are phenomenal, IMHO.

 

GARTH_MAUL sums it up pretty good. Lucas didn't fail, so no succeeding on failure was required.

 

I can't comment about succeeding for failing as far a "50's Serials" go.

What I can say however, is that I was infinitely more gratified by a single 5 minute episode of Clone Wars, than I was by any moment in either TPM or AOTC.

 

I liked the animated show better than AOTC.

 

I feel they've both succeeded tremendously. But Tartokovsky is the only person that I trust with SW besides Lucas.

I agree. I always thought this series would be good but am surprised at how much it exceeded my expextations.

I don't think Lucas has failed. The PT covers so much material that there could have been a 4th movie. I think the cartoon has more of an OT, 50s serial feel because both are essentially action-oriented war stories.

 

Wait, where did Lucas "fail"?

 

I never said he failed at everything. If he did we wouldn't be here right now. I'm just saying the old fashioned TV/Movie serial feel he has been trying to capture all these years (especially in the prequels) has been perfected in clone wars.

 

The CW cartoons are definitely more serial .

 

I'm with Appleseed. Tartakovsky did great. I still think Lucas did great on the first two movies, but hey, Tartakovsky didn't put Jar Jar in, lol. Anyway, I think they are equally good. I loved clone Wars, though.

 

He only succeded because GL pretty much told him what to do.

 

Geez! It seems that Lucas haters will resort to anything to bash the man who they feel raped their childhood. Look, did Tartokovsky create Star Wars? No! He like, Brian Daley, Steve Perry, Alan Dean Foster, and so many writers and artists from the various SW properties only contributed to the rich universe that GL created. Sorry, Lucas haters, when it comes down to it, it all comes back to The Flanneled One. Wether you like it or not, Episode III will come right on schedule with him in charge. And whether you will admit it or not, you'll be there to see it along with me.

 

I'm not attacking Lucas, I said earlier if he had truly failed we wouldn't be here RIGHT NOW on this board. I'm just saying that Tartakovsky beat George in the serial-race.

 

I'm just saying that Tartakovsky beat George in the serial-race.

I think there's just a significant difference between telling a story in a series of 2+ hour films and telling a story in a series of cartoon blips barely much longer than a movie's trailer.

 

I think there's just a significant difference between telling a story in a series of 2+ hour films and telling a story in a series of cartoon blips barely much longer than a movie's trailer.

I think that you're correct. The serials were always live action to start, but they had more in them that was atributed to the serials. The cartoons are more of a take off on that.

 

I liked the clone wars I felt that they did their job of telling the wars really well I can't say Lucas failed but I think Gendy did a great job my only gripe is that they should have been longer. It's okay when they show them en mass at the weekend but for me to get a grasp on them I need to see them all together. I think that the clone wars is an added credit to the saga as a whole adding to Lucas's creation just like all the authors