Did the Force abandon Anakin?

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  1. sithreaper Jedi Master

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    When Anakin came to that final jump did the force betray the chosen one. In ATOC (in the droid factory) & in ROTS Anakin pulls off one monster leap after another. Now Anakin is arrogant & blinded by hatred but he surely he would know wether or not he could make that final jump. So I wonder did the force betray Anakin & lead Anakin into the path of Obi Wans Saber?

    Because let?s say that Anakin did successfully make the jump. He would have killed Kenobi, saved Padma, got the twins, killed Palpatine & ruled the galaxy as its new emperor. All the while he would be a sith lord, a sith lord of unspeakable power, a sith lord who cant be beat, a sith lord who has everything he desires, so the prophecy would never be forfilled.

    As someone said yesterday throughout the saga we hear the line ?the force is with him?. Does the force takes sides? & if so was the force against Anakin in ROTS?
  2. Obi_Frans Jedi Master

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    No, Anakin abandoned the force by becoming a Sith.

    - O_F
  3. Get_in_Gear Jedi Youngling

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    Well - here is the thread you mentioned from the Saga Forums: "The Force is with him.", maybe this discussion could continue there.

    IMO, I don't think it is really a case of the Force "abandoning" Anakin in this instance though.
    It is more a case fo his ego getting the better of him.
    Obi's line makes it quite clear anyone with a sound mind would not and should not attempt to make the jump.
    Anakin's response suggests he is blinded by anger and an inflated sense of self-worth.
    It is not that Anakin doesn't make it - it is more a case of him being left open to attack in trying to leap beyond Obi-Wan.
  4. TheBlackLodge Jedi Padawan

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    No to both, it's a lot more simple than that, he was in two places and unfocused, he was arrogant and blind.
  5. LadyZaraMarta Jedi Grand Master

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    The Force did not abandon Anakin.
    He was arrogant and proud.
  6. sithreaper Jedi Master

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    I sense a lot of you don?t see a spiritual side to star wars.

    So why couldn?t Anakin make that jump?
  7. Sidious_T Jedi Master

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    It's only a movie, to find something spiritual in it is a stretch.

    However to answer the question, the force did not abandon him. It led him down his destined path.
  8. sithrules70 Jedi Master

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    [face_shame_on_you] the force has two sides as everything else my light sider friend.

    and no the force did not abandon anakin or he would have been dead long before sidious's arrival to mustafar
  9. sithreaper Jedi Master

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    that?s what I?m saying. Anakin would have pulled off that jump at any other time, but the force could not let Anakin succeed due to the path in which he was walking so he failed to make a jump that would have normally been easy for him.
  10. JMN77 Jedi Youngling

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    Why does the force have to have anything to do with Vader not clearing the jump? At the least he just mis-calculated the distance. Or like some here have said, he was consumed by arrogance and hate and not of a clear thinking mind. Personally I give Obi-Wan credit, not just the Force. One arm and two legs with one motion.... Impressive, most impressive.

    Oh, and the having the high ground did'nt hurt either!
    [face_peace]
  11. voodoopuuduu Classic Trilogy Trivia Host

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    that?s what I?m saying. Anakin would have pulled off that jump at any other time, but the force could not let Anakin succeed due to the path in which he was walking so he failed to make a jump that would have normally been easy for him.



    The Force didnt give up on Anakin, the Physics (Star Wars Physics) did. :D He was jumping from a floating platform for one thing. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction - Newton. The Physics is still a more powerful ally than the Force. :D
  12. DarthSapient Jedi Youngling

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    I agree with Obi_Frans who said that it was Anakin who abandoned the Force. The Force is what talks to him. Anakin was blind and deaf. It's all centered upon his fear and worrying about the future.
  13. darth_frared Jedi Grand Master

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    while he certainly worried and feared the future (how could he not?) the dark side of the force is also the force. or are the sith not force users?

    Does the force takes sides? & if so was the force against Anakin in ROTS?

    the force doesn't take sides, it doesn't even have sides. it's just this one thing. it's cosmological and ultimately none of the users understands it fully. it might have been against anakin succeeding in that jump because there were other things to be done or whatever. the force might just not care much for its users, it might just play with them.
  14. Jedi_pain11 Jedi Master

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    The Force led Vader right where he needed to be
  15. darth-sinister Manager Emeritus

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    Anakin is making the choices here. Not the Force. He abandoned the Force because he went against it's will for his own selfish gain. He sided with the enemy. Lucas makes it clear that Anakin was filled with anger and arrogance when he tried to jump over Obi-wan, who had the high ground. Meaning that no matter what, Anakin was going to be struck down because Obi-wan was in a position to nail him. The angle of the slope worked in Obi-wan's favor and against Anakin.

    "A lot of talk about arrogance. On the part of the Emperor and everybody else and so the last real thing that Anakin says apart from 'I hate you' is 'You underestimate my power' which is the height of arrogance".

    --George Lucas, ROTS DVD Commentary.

    "One of the problems of Sith is that they are always quick to anger. This scene with her it was very important that we set it up to the point where he chokes her as he does with one of the generals in ANH. But at the same time he doesn?t kill her and he just causes her to faint but you get to see that flash of anger which he now doesn?t have much control over. The whole point in a Jedi is that you can completely control your anger and now he?s at a point where he can't control it at all and it's because of his need for his control for power and he gets very upset when he can't have it. And now he?s assuming that she?s with Obi-wan, not necessarily in a love relationship or anything, in the basis that they are both on one side of the path and he?s going down the other."

    --George Lucas, ROTS DVD Commentary.


  16. tal0nkarrde Force Ghost

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    In my opinion, it was Anakin's arrogance, impulsiveness and belief that his new-found powers made him invincible that cuased him to miss that jump. He underestimated his own abilities. As was once said in the novels, the force abandons no one. It lives within us all and only needs to be sought out.
  17. iLoveAnakin7 Force Ghost

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    Because let?s say that Anakin did successfully make the jump. He would have killed Kenobi, saved Padma, got the twins, killed Palpatine & ruled the galaxy as its new emperor.

    This wouldn't have happened...Padme would have died of a broken heart anyway.
  18. YYZ-2112 Jedi Master

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    "So it controls your actions?" Luke
    "Partly; but it also obeys your commands." Ben

    How can the force abandon Anakin when he's controlling it. This is obvious in his use of the force as shown in the films. The only thing that was abandoned was 'the will of the force'. That will being every aspect of the great cosmic destiny for all sentient beings. Anakin abandoned the natural flow of the force in exchange for darkside enhancement. Perhaps the very term 'darkside' represents the side of the force where the user is no longer listening to the will of the force as 'continually' translated by the midichlorians to each host; except the part that allows one to see the future as it unfolds; which gives the Jedi the appearance of fast reflexes. Perhaps 'darkside' is a kind of blindness in following one's own will and not the natural will of the force as it's intended to flow.
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