Did Vader want the emporer dead?

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Anyway, do you think that Vader wanted Palpatine dead so he could become the master, with Luke as his apprentice?

 

Of course, Obi-Sky29!

Vader in ESB: You can destroy the Emperor; he has foreseen it. Join me, and together we can rule the galaxy as father and son!!

 

Well, he did kill the Emperor.

 

I'm not sure what he wanted at that point. Part of me says he wanted to kill him and rule the Empire himself, but another part of me feels like he didn't WANT to rebel. That he NEEDED Palpatine's guidance and control.

 

I always thought Vader wanted Palpatine dead and rule the empire himself but then I started wondering... Why, if he wanted Palpatine dead, did he block Luke's lightsaber attack? Luke was gonna strike down Palpatine, he would have gone to the dark side and Vader would have had everything he wanted. So why did he block the Lightsaber?

 

There's a thread about that, of course. With the Force you may be able to find it!

It boils down to the fact that Vader was biding his time, waiting for Luke to turn to the Dark Side before ganging up on the Emperor with him. He knows Luke couldn't destroy Palpatine with a single saber-blow, anyway.

 

If Luke turned to the dark side, one of the 3 Sith would have to be killed, leaving the Rule of Two intact.

 

I reckon he did since he killed the emporer.

 

If I remember right, the novelisation mentions something about this... I think Vader had been thinking about eliminating Palapatine-especially when Luke entered the picture.

The whole father and son ruling the galaxy thing probably appealed to him I guess

Hmm, just wondering if the novelisations have any bearing here? I realise that the books always offer more insight. Afterall we don't always see everything on screen.

And about killing the emperor at the end...yeah, it did prove the point. But I think Vader throwing the Emperor into the Death Star's core was due to the realisation that what he was doing to his son was wrong. He had reached that point when he (Vader) needed redemption. Ooookaaaay, that was kinda deep.

Hmm, just my humble opinion of course...

Humaira

 

I think it was rather obvious he did, considering he was attempting to lure Luke to join him so that they could destroy Palpatine.

 

I think it was rather obvious he did, considering he was attempting to lure Luke to join him so that they could destroy Palpatine.

But then why did he block Luke's lightsaber swing? It would have killed the emporer.

 

Obi-Sky29, I posted this earlier:

There's a thread about that, of course. With the Force you may be able to find it!

It boils down to the fact that Vader was biding his time, waiting for Luke to turn to the Dark Side before ganging up on the Emperor with him. He knows Luke couldn't destroy Palpatine with a single saber-blow, anyway.

 

Why couldn't Luke have destroyed Palpatine with a single lightsaber strike? Palpatine may be powerful but he's still human, right?

 

until he found out about Luke I think he was loyal servant..prepared to obey Palps every whim. After he found out about Luke it became a different story. In ESB he was still in Sith mode..wanting Palps dead so that HE could be master and Luke his apprentice. He may have belived something of the father/son crow he fed Luke, but I doubt it. In ROTJ he killed emporer to save his son..prolly the first completely selfless act he had ever done..and by doing so was able to redeem himself.
But then why did he block Luke's lightsaber swing? It would have killed the emporer.
becasue Luke was striking out in anger(darkside) which means the emporer had already won. Luke could not have killed emporer with one blow..light sabre would have never touched him. Anakin/Vader knew this and his conflicting emotions got the better of him there.

 

Since Vader killed the Emperor not on accident, he probably wanted him dead.....

 

I don't think he did. If he wanted him dead he would not have been like "I must Obey my master!" he would have been like "Come on Luke, lets you and me kill this old man."

 

Well in the Shadow's of the Empire book it tells how Vader/b] wanted to over power the emporer with Luke by his side and rule the galaxy

 

This whole statement of a lightsaber blow not being able to destroy Palpatine makes me all the more interested in wanting an explanation of why he is so feared in Ep.III.

 

I think Vader blocked Luke because he wasn't quite sure where his loyalties were yet. He was torn between serving his master, Palpatine, and saving his son, Luke. Up until the very last moment possible, when Luke was only seconds away from death at the Emporer's hand, Vader was still unsure.

 

Vader in ESB: You can destroy the Emperor; he has foreseen it. Join me, and together we can rule the galaxy as father and son!!

Vader in ROTJ: I must obey my master.

How to reconcile these seeming contradictions? First Vader's keen on offing the old guy, then he swears his obeisance cannot be broken.

Of course, on Bespin, the Emperor was nowhere to be seen. Vader could profess his true feelings--that he wanted to usurp the Galaxy--to Luke; whereas on the Death Star II, Palpatine is close at hand--in the same room, in fact--and Vader is compelled to profess servitude to his master.

As to the Emperor being invulnerable to light sabers, who knows? Perhaps it's a skill only a Sith Lord can have, as when Vader blocks Han's laser blasts on Bespin.

 

I think Metalgoldknight may be right. Vader wasn't sure what he wanted to do. He was very conflicted indeed.

 

Vader wanted to kill the Emperor. He would rather have his own son for his apprentice than being a slave to the Emperor, who wanted Vader ousted by his son anyways.

 

Vader in ESB: You can destroy the Emperor; he has foreseen it. Join me, and together we can rule the galaxy as father and son!!

Vader in ROTJ: I must obey my master.

How to reconcile these seeming contradictions?

I'm not sure there really is a contradiction there. Vader says "I must obey my master," not "I want to obey my master." If he's afraid of some power Palpy has over him, it makes sense that he would appeal to Luke to help him do his dirty work and overthrow the Emperor in ESB, yet say in RotJ that he alone isn't willing to try it. Vader is taking a calculated risk - he thinks his chance of success is greater if Luke helps him, so he's only willing to make his power thrust if he knows Luke will support him.

 

In Return of the Jedi, I've always thought that Palpatine wanted Luke to kill Vader, so that he could have a new and younger apprentice.

"Take your father's place at my side."

If this is true, this could have meant that Palpatine had four apprentices in his liftime, probably a record number for any Sith!

 

Vader is taking a calculated risk - he thinks his chance of success is greater if Luke helps him, so he's only willing to make his power thrust if he knows Luke will support him.

Dark Lady Mara, you've cut to the core of it yet again! Brava.

PhantomMenace, yes! Vader and Palptine want to kill each other; Vader to assume control of the Galaxy, Palpatine to take on a potentially more powerful apprentice.