Did you feel sorry for Darth Vader at the end of ROTS?

double post sorry

 

And Luke continued to make progress with what little training he had.

No, I figured it out what you were saying. I just forgot to erase what I was going to ask.

 

Which doesn't mean that the Younglings will given that Luke advances faster than even his father.

 

Which throws a wrench (or a hydrospanner for that matter) in the so-called prophecy.
How can a human son surpass a child-of-the-Force? Strengthens my belief that the Sith made him.

 

Even if the Sith made him, he was still conceived using the Force, and the prophecy is still valid. However, who is to say that Anakin restoring balance to the Force and fulfilling his prophecy didn't require his children? The Jedi don't fully understand the prophecy, so its entirely possible that Luke and Leia were part of that prophecy all along. SSS, you are aware that if not for the direct statements from GL, that I would maintain that the Chosen One was born a generation after the Jedi think, and that it is LUKE that is the Chosen One, not Anakin, but, because I can't maintain that because of Lucas's confirming Anakin's status, I am still able to argue that while Anakin was the Chosen One, it was only through Luke that the prophecy could be fulfilled...so, the Chosen One restored balance through his children. With that point of view, I have no problems accepting that Luke can supersede his father's learning ability. Maybe as the Chosen One, Anakin was destined to father Luke and Leia, and THAT is how he brings balance. Prophecy doesn't state that Anakin has to restore balance by himself, or that any children of his couldn't match him midichlorian for midichlorian, Force potential for Force potential.

 

Nah... the prophecy never really existed in my book. Hence the "so-called" portion of my last post. I like the "Sith made him angle" because it does not encroach upon the legacy of CT Vader. That being said, I do understand where you are coming from.

 

Because he's Luke kriffing Skywalker. I dunno, I think if Lucas wanted to explain it he should have put the Son of the Suns prophecy in the films some how in addition to the Chosen One.

 

Wait!

I thought Anakin was the "Son of Suns"?
A second prophecy?


I didn't know that:
"Now, there ARE TWO of them?!?!"




This (prophecy thing) is getting out of hand.

 

The only official prophecy is that of "The Chosen One" which some fans have assumed = The Son Of the Suns. However the SoS one was from an old draft of A New Hope and was actually referring to Luke. So basically it's just fanon either way.

 

I like to put it this way... I feel bad for Anakin when the suit goes on. You can tell he is scared and I know how pathway of evil he is now on. It is sad that he has thrown away his life and everything that happens at the end of RotS. A lot of people will continue to suffer because of his choice.

 

I didn't really feel anything - I was just curious about his injuries and reconstruction.

I was hoping that he would have more dialogue in the suit but knew that this probably would not be the case.

 

I didn't feel sorry for Vader at all. I'm actually a bit confused why some one would feel sorry for Vader because he had been supposedly manipulated. But when was he? He gets a Force vision, talks to the Grand Master who tells him nothing is set in stone when looking into the future, and Sidious tells him that he doesn't have the power of Plagueis (albiet after Mace is dead). But Anakin had all the tools and resources to approach his vision pragmatically, but instead allowed his emotions to run wild, and when he finally became Vader, his true motives came foward which was his quest for power. That all being said, I was rooting for Vader the entire time in RotS, even though knowing the outcome. But I could never feel sorry for Vader, he chose his life.

 

Luke can be as strong as his father, same with Leia, because the Midichlorians are inherited. We get this in ROTJ, when Luke says that the Force runs strongly in his family. And again in TPM, when Qui-gon asks who Anakin's father was.

Palpatine manipulated Anakin when he told him that a Sith Lord discovered the power to cheat death. And because he himself is a Sith, then he can teach him to become stronger and more powerful. Thus they can figure out how to cheat death.

 

I did not know that a symbiant-entity could be replicated through the host-lifeform's DNA via the reproductive process.
Interesting.

 

In a film series where the laws of physics are altered to suit the needs of the story, this shouldn't be a surprise.

 

Not surprising.
Just interesting.

 

Yeah when I look at the Star Wars Movies I do feel sorry for the fact of what could have been had he just been patient. When I see Darth Vader after watching the PreQuels I don't look at him the same way now. Of course he did evil things and this is true but to look at his son and to look at him, yeah in a tiny way I do feel sorry for him. I don't feel sorry for his actions but I do feel sorry that he never got a chance to become the MAster Obi-Wan had said he would become not a Sith Lord.

 

In various places just in ROTS he had the chance to do the right thing.

 

Well, at this point "manipulate" has pretty much become a meaningless word in the culture, due to misuse. It often gets hurled as an accusation when someone doesn't like an outcome.

 

Anakin always had opportunities to do the right thing in ROTS. He was just too selfish to make the effort.

 

I think just a tiny bit, but really thinking about it, no. He let himself hurt the people he cared about and he did the things around him, he could of said no and not done it. So yeah no.