JCC Discounting bad sequels from canon

Spider-Man 3 didn't hit me as hard as it did others. They were all silly to me. I only really liked the second one. Consequently, 3 wasn't a big disappointment.

 

I actually didn't think Spider-Man 3 was THAT bad, but I think the film could have definitely done without the whole "Staying Alive" dance sequence that Raimi felt was needed to show 'bad' Peter.

 

The slapstick is excised, leaving only a bit of Luthor/Otis material in the very beginning. The movie is pretty much played straight.

As much as I love Richard Lester's 60s/70s work, his approach for Superman--particularly at such an early juncture--was misguided.

 

Then I will, every chance I get. "Unwatchable" is too kind and adjective for that steaming pile of turd.

It's not really a movie but I've decided that to me Mass Effect 3 does not exist. That's how much hate I still have for that monumental trainwreck and no amount of head-canon can alleviate the butthurt.

 

I have a policy that goes "It doesn't matter if I liked it or not, or whether it was good or not; if they made it it's canon." If there are multiple cuts, then pick the one you prefer unless only one of them fits in with the rest of the story, but there's no leeway beyond that. I honestly think it's completely disrespectful and, in a weird way, morally wrong to just discount these works. For better or for worse people spent time working on them, hoping people would like them. That work should be given the minimal amount of honor necessary to acknowledge it, even if it's horrible.

So the whole idea of Canon/Fanon Discontinuity (or even plain old Fanon, for related reasons, but that's a different discussion) really just rubs me the wrong way. People saying "_____ doesn't exist." are wrong. It does. And it's canon. Get over it and accept the WHOLE story, even if you don't like all of it, for it is the right thing to do.

Yeah, I know, lol about talking about morality in the same sentence as bad movies, but I really do take storytelling very seriously.

 

MrZAP: I know what you're getting at, and I agree with you on some points, but I wouldn't be upset if they made a new Alien movie that pretends Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection didn't happen, and focused on a adult Newt, is all.

 

If pretending that Highlander II, Highlander III, Highlander:Endgame, and Highlander:The Source don't exist is morally wrong, I don't want to be right.

MrZAP, you would shackle us in chains too unspeakable to contemplate. I reject your horrifying totalitarian vision and embrace my right to choose.

 

The person with the worst taste on the boards likes something dreadful? No.

 

Fanon should be mocked and discarded at all times. There's never a moment when it's ok.

 

No.

By accepting crappy storytelling and giving it the same weight than to good stories, you're telling authors and more importantly producers that quality doesn't matter as long as it has the right brand name.

And screw their hard work. No matter what your kindergarten teacher told you, hard work isn't everything.

So let's all go outside and start burning copies of Terminator Salvation.

 

Like most people here, I enjoy T1 and T2 but not T3 or Salvation. I also adore TSCC, so I'm not sure what level of canon I accept. Since the Terminator timeline split in two sometime after T2 and I accept one timeline but not the other.

And I refuse to buy Indy on Blu Ray because I want a box set but only of the first three.

 

I liked Terminator Salvation.

 

let's burn genantilles too!

 

Dave, I don't see where your argument quite holds. He didn't say that you had to acknowledge their work is good. Nor did he say that you had to reward the creators by purchasing these sub-par products. Zap simply argued that we should acknowledge their existence.

 

Add another reason to the pile for ZAP not being world dictator.

 

No, Unknown Name, he said it was canon and we should shut up and deal with it. A quite different proposal than "acknowledging their existence": I acknowledge Alien Resurrection exists, and I'm sure the executive producer is a good parent, but I don't think of it when I think of the Alien universe. And I didn't even touch the ridiculous idea of turning something as normal as doing this into something "inmoral".

 

This whole "Earth goes round the Sun thing" is starting to get annoying as well.

 

I haven't seen the latest Nolan Batman film.

I would so win Shelf of Shame.

 

You must not actually read Shelf of Shame. Five to seven other people would also not have seen it, and two would ask if catching 30 seconds on TBS counted or not.

 

Good for your son. Smart kid.

 

this is where she says, "he's 34".

 

The hyperbole used there is making my point.

 

Terrible is the wrong word. "Startlingly mediocre" covers it better.