Hey guys, After watching ROTK again, I thought of something which I thought might be good for discussion. The classic depiction of evil is that it is manipulative and seductive. In ROTK Gollum is both manipulative and seductive because he sets up Sam and causes Frodo to lose faith in his long time friend. Even though the "truth" of the matter is that Sam never falters in his allegiance toward Frodo and their quest, Frodo in a moment of weakness looks at the circumstantial evidence and believes the smoothly seductive words of Gollum. But as Jesus says in John 8:32, "then you will know the truth and the truth will set you free." For Frodo, the moment of "truth" begins when he realizes that Gollum has tricked him into the spider's lair and culminates when he awakens in the castle, alone, seemingly friendless,stripped of everything and about to be slaughtered by the Orcs. Sam comes to his rescue and he apologizes for ever doubting the loyalty and integrity of his friend. My question to the board is, is there a similar moment in SW? Or is there more than one? Same holds true for LOTR. And finally, is truth subjective or is there a definable standard of right and wrong which can be ascertained from these stories?