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Lit Discussion/Critique of the art within Marvel comics

Discussion in 'Literature' started by jamminjedi23, Nov 24, 2017.

  1. Chris Werms

    Chris Werms Jedi Youngling

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    Interesting! Well, hopefully I can stay respectful enough.

    Or when I'm not, they happen to skip that post ;)
     
  2. tatooinesandworm

    tatooinesandworm Jedi Knight star 3

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  3. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 7

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    Interesting.
     
  4. spicer

    spicer Jedi Master star 4

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  5. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 7

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    What's particularly good about both articles is they take a constructive, analytic approach to this area, from the io9 one:

    "But when it’s pushed too far, it leads to some very strange-looking and jarring results, which primarily serve as distractions to the story. We’re forced to stop and acknowledge Mark Hamill, Carrie Fisher, and Harrison Ford and whichever movie scenes they were in, instead of simply seeing Leia, Han, and Luke in the new adventure being told.

    The shame of it is that it’s not even necessary. People weren’t complaining about Dark Horse’s old Star Wars books or even the classic Marvel comics 40 years ago because artists like Cam Kennedy or Howard Chaykin weren’t perfectly capturing the likenesses of Harrison Ford or Carrie Fisher. All that’s needed is for the art to properly evoke the characters, and the comic feels like it’s telling a Star Wars tale.

    Case in point: Some of Marvel’s other modern Star Wars comics! Take, for example, Angel Unzueta and Arif Prianto’s current work on Poe Dameron—and Phil Noto’s work before them on the same series—which manages to feel like accurate depictions of Oscar Isaac, the elder Carrie Fisher, and other cast members from The Force Awakens without recreating exact stills from the film"
     
  6. Dr. Steve Brule

    Dr. Steve Brule Jedi Grand Master star 4

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  7. redxavier

    redxavier Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    So why is Ackbar's cloak here a solid black? It's like a void in the panel.
    And goodness knows why Han is mostly in shadow given their location and the lighting... oh wait, I know why, it's so that Larrocca doesn't have to draw the face and can hide how the tracing comes from a non-Ford photo reference.
    [​IMG]
     
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  8. Jedi Jessy

    Jedi Jessy Force Ghost star 5

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    They still are copying Han's scenes from ANH. Even the clothes is always the same
     
  9. redxavier

    redxavier Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Well there was an ESB reference (smug with Leia with crossed arms in the medbay of Echo base) used in the preview. Progress?
     
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  10. Senpezeco

    Senpezeco Jedi Knight star 2

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    I do rather like the inking on Urtya's head/face throughout #44's preview, as well as the pencils and colors of both the landscape and the ocean surface. So while the Big Three are, in my opinion, still not so pleasant to look at here, Mon Cala certainly is.
     
  11. Jedi Jessy

    Jedi Jessy Force Ghost star 5

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    "Let's copy everything, even the dialogue"
     
  12. Senpezeco

    Senpezeco Jedi Knight star 2

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    Risking demotion to Captain Obvious here, but for anyone who doesn't click through the link or hasn't seen the preview for #45, that tweet isn't serious and the line in that panel isn't real... we only have unlettered preview pages so far, and that's not the lettering/font currently used in this series. The tracing remains up for criticism, though.

    I'm going to page through the series again and look more closely at Larroca's landscapes and vehicles. If those are well-drawn, I'll appreciate them regardless of how I feel about the extent of his human character tracing. (The alien character art in the preview for #45 looks good, from what I can tell.)
     
  13. Jedi Jessy

    Jedi Jessy Force Ghost star 5

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    I can't believe I didn't get it, my bad. I blame the flu :oops:
     
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  14. Vthuil

    Vthuil Force Ghost star 5

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    This thread was just brought to my mind by the Thrawn comics thread, where people were talking about how much they liked the art, and yeah - it's pretty good. Really makes me all the more baffled at Larroca.
     
  15. Outsourced

    Outsourced Jedi Master star 4

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    Agreed. I think this is less a problem with Marvel and more a problem with Larroca. I've enjoyed the art for pretty much every series except for the Star Wars ongoing. I don't hate the art in the main series, but the traces just pull me out of it.
     
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  16. Nobody145

    Nobody145 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    With the newer better writer I'm tempted to subscribe to the main Star Wars comic, but that art is one major reason (possibly the main one) I haven't gotten back into it yet. Just, ugh, its terrible. Even sadder that they had different artists on the series before and while its not like all of them were great, most of them were at least decent with their own take on the movie characters.

    And there's literally decades of Star Wars comic art and Marvel has settled on this as the regular artist for the main series? I'd take the art from the old Marvel series over this (and occasionally when a series goes for the intentional retro art, like some Transformers issues I've read, it works quite well).
     
  17. vncredleader

    vncredleader Jedi Master star 4

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    Oh man if Carmine Infantino was still alive and able to draw SW again, everything would be perfect. Honestly now I wanna see someone replicate his style like you suggested. Anyone got any ideas for artists who could do that really well?
     
  18. SpecForce Trooper

    SpecForce Trooper Jedi Knight star 4

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    I really liked the pseudo-marvel look of The Rebel Opposition. I wish we could get a comic like that.
     
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  19. Jedi Knight Fett

    Jedi Knight Fett Force Ghost star 10

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    It’s had ups and downs, but the best art was the Anakin and Obi Wan.
     
  20. vncredleader

    vncredleader Jedi Master star 4

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    Yes Marco Checchetto is amazing
     
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  21. Jedi Jessy

    Jedi Jessy Force Ghost star 5

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  22. vncredleader

    vncredleader Jedi Master star 4

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    [face_sick][face_sick][face_sick][face_sick][face_sick]
     
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  23. Vthuil

    Vthuil Force Ghost star 5

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    Is that actually real?
     
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  24. Blackhole E Snoke

    Blackhole E Snoke Jedi Master star 4

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    That is abysmal tracing.
     
  25. Vorax

    Vorax Jedi Master star 5

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    Thats my main turn off on the basic Star Wars comic series, is the bad cgi'ed faces or whatever they do.