Games Discussion Time: Let's Talk About Drafts - next draft?

Discussion in 'Community' started by DarthIntegral, Sep 13, 2007.

  1. MandaloreYak Force Ghost

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    Sep 29, 2004
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    Oh... Oh my... I am decidedly disgusted with the new New Mutants arc, specifically with what has happened to one Nate Grey, losing all his power. Just give it up, Marvel. You won't get as bad as DC, even though you're trying very hard.
  2. The_Chim Force Ghost

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    I do.
  3. The Loyal Imperial Manager Emeritus

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  4. MandaloreYak Force Ghost

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    Sep 29, 2004
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    In honor of C M Punk being amazing, and to get one of Durrons (at least) 3 titles off his waist, I propose a 2nd wrestling draft.
  5. The_Chim Force Ghost

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  6. whiteeagle Force Ghost

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    Dec 24, 2004
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    Wrestling is lame. Let's just redo the comic book draft.
  7. MandaloreYak Force Ghost

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    Sep 29, 2004
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    You're lame. I need a comics break. What if we just discuss rules changes on different drafts for awhile, if Vid games and wrestling haven't done anything for anyone?
  8. The Loyal Imperial Manager Emeritus

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    Or lists that are in need of updating.
  9. Axle-Starweilder Force Ghost

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    Jan 6, 2005
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    do you guys still wanna do a care bear draft?
  10. MandaloreYak Force Ghost

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    Sep 29, 2004
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    Animated list needs a major overhaul. Pokemon rules do, and team battles in general.
  11. The Loyal Imperial Manager Emeritus

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    Could probably do something with M&TV, too. Maybe with a few less Power Rangers.
  12. Dinkus_Mayhem Jedi Knight

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    Yeah that could use a major update.
  13. MandaloreYak Force Ghost

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    Sep 29, 2004
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    Yeah, and even though I'm not in it, I think Games could use some work. Should we just post the lists and then do work on them? Or 1 at a time?
  14. The Loyal Imperial Manager Emeritus

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    Considering how long they are, one at a time might be best.
  15. MandaloreYak Force Ghost

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    Sep 29, 2004
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    Starting instructions: Get rid of manga-only chars, get rid of oversaturation (Naruto, BLEACH???), get rid of undefined powers and overtelepathy (Captain Planet, Pollution ::sniff:: Legato ::sob::)

    American Dragon: Jake Long
    Dark Dragons
    Hunts Clan
    Team Dragon

    Avatar: The Last Air Bender
    Avatar Aang
    Fire Nation
    Gaang
    Phoenix King
    White Lotus

    Ben 10
    Charming Hex
    Former Plumbers
    Ghostfreak's Minions
    Jr. Plumbers
    The Forever Knights
    Dr. Animo
    Ghostfreak
    Vilgax

    Berserk
    Guts
    Griffith
    Casca

    Bleach
    Ichigo Kurosaki
    Rukia Kuchiki
    Kisuke Urahara
    Renji Abarai
    Uryu Ishida
    Shihouin Yoruichi
    Soifon
    Gin Ichimaru
    Byakuya Kuchiki
    Sajin Komamura
    Shunsui Kyoraku
    Kaname Tosen
    Kenpachi Zaraki
    Ikkaku Madarame
    Yumichika Ayasegawa
    Mayuri & Nemu Kurotsuchi
    Ukitake
    Grand Fisher
    Grimmjow Jaggerjack
    Shinji Hirako
    Hiyori Sarugaki
    Ulquiorra Schiffer
    Luppi
    Aaroniero Arleri
    Yammy
    Dordonii Alessandro Del Socacchio
    Cirucci Thunderwitch
    Gantenbein Mosqueda
    Shawlong Qufang
    Edorad Leones
    Ilfort Grantz
    Ururu Tsumugiya
    Jinta Hanakari
    Tessai Tsukabishi
    Toshiro Hitsugaya
    Matsumoto Rangiku
    Izuru Kira

    Blood +
    Saya Otonashi
    Hagi
    Diva
    Amshel Goldsmith
    Solomon Goldsmith
    Karl Fei-Ong
    James Ironside
    Nathan Mahler
    Moses
    Lulu
    Karman
    Irène

    Bounen no Xamdou
    Akiyuki
    Raigyo

    Captain Planet
    Captain Planet
    Captain Pollution

    Chrono Crusade
    Rosette Christopher
    Chrono
    Joshua Christopher
    Aion

    Cowboy Bebop
    Spike Spiegal
    Jet Black
    Faye Valentine
    Vicious
    Pierrot le Fou
    Grencia Mars Elijah Guo Eckener

    Cyborg 009
    Ivan Whisky
    Jet Link
    Francoise Arnoul
    Albert Heinrich
    Geronimo, Jr.
    Chang Chang Ku
    Great Britain
    Pyunma
    Joe Shimamura
    Dr. Isaac Gilmore
    Cyborg 0010 + and -
    Cyborg 0011
    Cyborg 0013
    Cyborg -004
    Scarl/Black Ghost

    Darkwing Duck
    Justice Ducks
    Fearsome Five

    Dragon Ball
    Son Goku
    Kuririn
    Piccolo
    Yamcha
    Tenshinhan
    Muten Roshi
    Agent Black
    General Blue
    Tao Pai Pai
    Chaozu

    El Hazard
    Makoto Mizuhara
    Masamichi Fujisawa
    Katsuhiko Jinnai
    Ifurita
    Kalia
    Shayla-Shayla
    Afura Mann
    Miz Mishtal

    Elfen Lied
    Lucy [ANIME ONLY]
    Nana [Anime Only]
    Mariko [ANIME ONLY]

    Fate/Stay Night
    Rin Tohsaka/Archer
    Saber/Shirou
    Illya/Berserker
    Kirei/Gilgamesh
    Caster/Assasin

    FLCL
    Haruko/Canchi

    Full Metal Alchemist
    State Military
    Elrics
    Dante
    Insubordinates
    Greed
    Frank Archer

    Gargoyles
    The Gargoyles
    Demona
    David Xanatos
    Anton Sevarius

    Getbackers
    Ban Mido
    Ginji Amano
    Shido Fuyuki
    Kazuki Fuuchouin
    Kuroudou Akabane
    Kyoji Kagami

    Ghost in the Shell
    Public Security Section 9

    Gungrave
    Big 4
    Brandon Heat
    Cannon Vulcan/Blood War

    Howl's Moving Castle
    Howl
    Witch of the Waste
    Madame Suliman

    Inuyasha
    Inuyasha's Band
    Sesshomaru
    Naraku
    Bankotsu
    Ginkotsu
    Jakotsu
    Kyokotsu
    Mukotsu
    Princess Abi
    Renkotsu
    Suikotsu

    Kim Possible
    Arch-Nemeses
    Team Possible
    Team Go
    DNAmy
    Lord Monty Fiske
    Motor Ed
    Professor Dementor

    Mai-HiME
    Mai Tokiha
    Natsuki Kuga
    Mikoto Minagi
    Akira Okuzaki
    Shiho Munakata
    Shizuru Fujino
    Yukariko Sanada
    Miyu Greer
    Alyssa Searrs
    Nao Yuuki
    Akane Higurashi
    Fumi Himeno
    Reito Kanzaki (Hosting Obsidian Lord)

    My-Otome
    Arika Yumemiya
    Nina Wang
    Tomoe Marguerite
    Akane Soir
    Shiho Huit
    Juliet Nao Zhang
    Natsuki Kruger
    Shizuru Viola
    Sara Gallagher
    Mahya Blythe
    Haruka Armitage
    Mai Tokiha (Otome version)
    Midori
    Rad
    Lumen
    Gal
    Dyne
    Mikoto the Cat Goddess

    Naruto
    Naruto Uzumaki
    Sasuke Uchiha
    Sakura Haruno
    Kakashi Hatake
    Deidara
    Hidan
    Lady Tsunade
    Sarutobi
    Jiraiya
    Kabuto
    Zabuza
    Itachi Uchiha
    Kisame Hoshigaki
    Hinata Hyuga
    Kiba Inuzuka
    Shino Aburame
    Asuma Sarutobi
    Shikamaru Nara
    Ino Yamanaka
    Choji Akimichi
    Might Guy
    Neji Hyuga
    Rock Lee
    Tenten
    Gaara
    Kankuro
    Temari
    Kakuzu
    Sasori
    Orochimaru
    Pain
    Konan
    Suigetsu Hozuki
    Karin
    Jugo
    Killerbee
    Yamato
    Sai

    Ninja Scroll
    Team 1
    Team 2
    Team 3
    Team 4

    One Piece
    Monkey D. Luffy
    Roronoa Zoro
    Nami
    Nico Robin
    Usopp
    Sanji
    Tony Tony Chopper
    Franky
    Brook
    Blueno
    Fukurou
    Spandam
    Kaku
    Rob Lucci
    Jyabura
    Kalifa
    Kumadori
    Sir Crocodile
    Enel
    Das Bones
    Mr. 2 Bon Clay
    Blackbeard
    Gecko Moria
    Aokiji
    Kizaru

    Powerpuff Girls
    Blossom
    Buttercup
    Bubbles
    Mojo Jojo
    Princess Morbucks

    Princess Mononoke
    Princess Mononoke
    Ashitaka
    Moro
    Okotonushi

    Project A-ko
    A-ko
    B-ko
    D

    Ranma 1/2
    Ranma
    Genma
    Kodachi
    Akane
    Shampoo
    T
  16. The Loyal Imperial Manager Emeritus

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    Nov 19, 2007
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    I had a very long list of suggestions, cuts, additions, and team reorganizations...which I lost when my last computer died. I'll see about rethinking up a few of them and posting them tomorrow.
  17. MandaloreYak Force Ghost

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    Sep 29, 2004
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    So here's something I was thinking about. What if we did a fantasy draft of like comics, ongoing series', etc... But instead of battles and judging, we tracked it more like a stock market, and based it on how the characters were doing "IRL." As in, if Wolverine won a fight, his stock would go up, and by how much would depend on who he fought. Or perhaps public opinion (in comics) of him goes up, or he gains influence, or whatever. We could have several categories... Maybe Fights, Influence, Relevance...

    So a team could look like this:

    Wolverine
    Deadpool
    Blues (comics)
    Plutonian
    Killer Bee
    etc.

    And so yeah, maybe they all start out at 0 and move up or down depending on what happens to them. Then at the end of, iono, 6 months, who knows, we declare a winner by who has the most "money" or to prevent people from just bowing out when they know they're not gonna win, we have playoffs where the top however many ppl can draft X more guys and go for another 3 months or whatever. Or maybe have 4 months of reg season, 2 months of playoffs. I know it'd require some subjectivity still, but it would be more of a "real" fantasy feel. And maybe people could come in while the months are still going on (though they might have a hard time catching up with the good teams).
    Plus this makes your favorite characters relevant, since, fighting power really has pretty little to do with it as opposed to what happens to the char from start on out. The only thing we'd really have to discuss is if a particular battle victory or prestige increase or whatever (think... Drafting Norman Osbourne during the Secret Invasion) would be worth.
  18. The Loyal Imperial Manager Emeritus

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    Nov 19, 2007
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    So, animated draft. Here's what I've got so far, off the top of my head: update FMA to Brotherhood, reshuffle the teams accordingly. Drop mechs? I know we've discussed it before, but I still think it's worth a shot sometime. Remove guys like Kizaru, too, who we don't know how to harm yet. I had a bunch of team ideas to shrink the Naruto section considerably (plus, they're not all that great individually), but recent arcs may be upping the power level to a point where that may not be such a good idea after all. To save space, maybe trim all the non-Espada Arrancar from Bleach (and Luppi): the creator's going through another bout of character creation again, so we'll eventually need more room there. Add: maybe some of the more recent action series? Regios, Lost Canvas (too powerful, maybe?), Fairy Tail (just typing that pun pains me...)? HxH is getting a remake, too, which might offer a good opportunity to add it to the list (and gives me some hope that some of those great old action series might finally get the treatment they deserve).

    Still working on an actual overhauled list, but that's what I've got for now. I'll post up more when it's closer to being done.
  19. whiteeagle Force Ghost

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    Dec 24, 2004
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    That sounds . . . . really interesting. I could get into that.
  20. The Loyal Imperial Manager Emeritus

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    Nov 19, 2007
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    First round of suggested changes (emphasize suggested, discussion is welcome). Going through the list series by series, starting from zero and then adding worthy picks, so the process may take a while. Apart from the extensive cuts, I've tried to organize the teams so that they've got a better shot at being upper-round talent, too.

    Red = cut
    Blue = new

    Bleach

    Aaroniero Arruruerie
    Byakuya Kuchiki
    Gin Ichimaru
    Grimmjow Jaegerjaquez
    Ichigo Kurosaki
    Jushiro Ukitake
    Kaname Tosen
    Kenpachi Zaraki
    Mayuri Kurotsuchi
    Nnoitra Gilga
    Orihime Inoue
    Rukia Kuchiki
    Sajin Komamura
    Shinji Hirako
    Shunsui Kyoraku
    Sui-Feng
    Szayel Aporro Granz
    Tier Harribel
    Toshiro Hitsugaya
    Ulquiorra Cifer
    Uryu Ishida
    Yammy Llargo
    Yasutora Sado
    Yoruichi Shihoin
    Kisuke Urahara
    Renji Abarai
    Ikkaku Madarame
    Yumichika Ayasegawa
    Grand Fisher
    Hiyori Sarugaki
    Luppi
    Dordonii Alessandro Del Socacchio
    Cirucci Thunderwitch
    Gantenbein Mosqueda
    Shawlong Qufang
    Edorad Leones
    Ilfort Grantz
    Ururu Tsumugiya
    Jinta Hanakari
    Tessai Tsukabishi
    Matsumoto Rangiku
    Izuru Kira


    Left out Baraggan, for near-Aizen levels of broken, and Starrk for having way too much firepower on hand. Plus, the giant pink pumpkin, for there being no reasonable way for anyone outside this series to block his power.

    Naruto

    Fifth Mizukage
    Fourth Raikage

    Jiraiya
    Kakashi Hatake
    Killer B
    Naruto Uzumaki
    Orochimaru
    Sakura Haruno
    Sasuke Uchiha
    Third Hokage
    Third Tsuchikage
    Tsunade
    Kabuto
    Zabuza
    Asuma Sarutobi
    Might Guy
    Pain
    Konan
    Yamato
    Sai


    Not quite sure what to do with Pain and Konan. Even individually, their powersets are a bit troublesome. Also, Konan with prep time is absurd. Or will be, soon.

    Blue Jewel (Sasori and Deidara)
    Hawk (Suigetsu Hozuki, Jugo, and Karin)
    North Three (Kakuzu and Hidan)
    Sand Siblings (Gaara, Kankuro, and Temari)
    Team 8 (Shino Aburame, Hinata Hyuga, and Kiba Inuzuka)
    Team 10 (Choji Akimichi, Shikamaru Nara, Ino Yamanaka)
    Team Guy (Neji, Rock Lee, Tenten)
    Vermilion South (Itachi Uchiha and Kisame Hoshigaki)


    Yes, there's logic behind the weird Akatsuki team names.

    Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood

    Elric Brothers, Plus One (Edward Elric, Alphonse Elric, and Ling Yao/Greed)
    Homunculi 1 (Lust, Gluttony, and Envy)
    Homunculi 2 (Wrath and Sloth)
    Homunculus and Bomber (Pride and Solf J. Kimblee)
    Ishval and Xing (Scar and May Chang)
    State Military (Roy Mustang, Basque Grand, and Alex Louis Armstrong)

    State Military
    Elrics
    Dante
    Insubordinates
    Greed
    Frank Archer


    Fate/stay night: Unlimited Blade Works and Fate/zero (updated for the movie and the new series, assuming we don't start before it does)

    Caster (Medea) and Assassin
    Ilyasviel von Einzbern and Berserker (Heracles)
    Kariya Matou and Berserker (Black Knight)
    Kayneth Archibald El-Melloi and Lancer (Diarmuid Ua Duibhne)
    Kirei Kotomine and Lancer (Cuchulainn)
    Kiritsugu Emiya and Saber

    Rin Tohsaka and Archer (EMIYA)
    Ryuunosuke Uryuu and Caster (Gilles de Rais)
    Shinji Matou and Rider (Medusa)
    Tokiomi Tohsaka and Archer (Gilgamesh)
    Waver Velvet and Rider (Alexander the Great)

    Saber/Shirou
    Kirei/Gilgamesh


    s-CRY-ed
    Kazuma
    Ryuho Tairen
    Scheris Adjani
    Straight Cougar
    Martin Zigmarl
    George Tatsunami
    Asuka Techibana
    Unkei
    Emergy Maxfell


    Ninja Scroll
    Team 1
    Team 2
    Team 3
    Team 4


    Powerpuff Girls
    Blossom
    Buttercup
    Bubbles
    Mojo Jojo
    Princess Morbucks


    Cowboy Bebop
    Spike Spiegal
    Jet Black
    Faye Valentine
    Vicious
    Pierrot le Fou
    Grencia Mars Elijah Guo Eckener
  21. EmpireForever Chosen One

    Member Since:
    Mar 15, 2004
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    I can't really add anything because I'm not hugely familiar with a lot of series here, which is how I let a few god tier beings slip into the drafts I ran, but thinking along those lines, perhaps you should think about cutting anyone who does not have a clearly defined upper limit. People who have never been pushed to their limit can make judging pretty difficult.
  22. The Loyal Imperial Manager Emeritus

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    Nov 19, 2007
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    Good idea. Dropping the representation for series down to the core characters has been helping with that, and the nice thing about all these dedicated battle series is that everybody tends to lose to somebody at some point.
  23. DarthIntegral Force Ghost

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    Jul 13, 2005
    star 7
    So ... who's up for another round of the pro wrestling draft?
  24. EmpireForever Chosen One

    Member Since:
    Mar 15, 2004
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    At this point I'm up for anything, but it seems we just can't muster enough support.
  25. MandaloreYak Force Ghost

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    Sep 29, 2004
    star 5
    This guy is up for it. Despite the poorness of last night's PPV that made me happy I was at work rather than watching it, which I wouldn't have been anyway...