Games Discussion Time: Let's Talk About Drafts - next draft?

Discussion in 'Community' started by DarthIntegral, Sep 13, 2007.

  1. Axle-Starweilder Force Ghost

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    fair enough. and glad to see dr. bong made it back, but he's sort of in the same camp.
  2. EmpireForever Chosen One

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    Camp is definitely the word I would use for Dr. Bong.
  3. Axle-Starweilder Force Ghost

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    well if we're going to camp, then i'm definitely sharing tents with that guy!

    (and yes i knew what you really meant)
  4. heels1785 Community & Prequel Trilogy Manager

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    Good looking list, EF.

    I wasn't involved in the last one- how did Fate get knocked out of the discussion? I'm assuming too powerful, but I just didn't know what the argument against him was.
  5. Axle-Starweilder Force Ghost

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    i would also ask the same question about darkseid and marvel's version of him (thanos). i mean, if we're bringing back so many heavy-hitters; let's take off the kid gloves.
  6. heels1785 Community & Prequel Trilogy Manager

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    I'd be inclined to agree there. @MandaloreYak come make your push for Despero.
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  7. Benjamin Bunny Jedi Youngling

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    I say throw them all in and be done with it, also add Hope Summers.
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  8. EmpireForever Chosen One

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    Okay;
    Hope Summers
    Darkseid
    Thanos

    These people are on the maybe go list but I don't think I can edit my post anymore.

    If no one says anything by tomorrow, we'll probably end up putting all of those guys back in(to include Fate and Strange).
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  9. MandaloreYak Force Ghost

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  10. EmpireForever Chosen One

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    The thing is, while I don't mind allowing some of these guys in, I do want to be aware of team killers. It's a problem when only four teams can get a Thanos and then there's a significant drop in power. I guess it comes down to whether or not you think we've got enough people that can beat Thanos and Darkseid and Strange etc. to justify putting them in. I don't care about the ceiling of power, I care about the distribution of power, and while I'm not going to babysit people's picks, I do want to make sure everyone is getting the same general value for their positions; round 2 should not be very far removed from round 1, etc.
    Last edited by EmpireForever, Feb 24, 2013
  11. NYCitygurl NSWFF Manager

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    I actually already found and asked Grimby about that one. Waiting on a response, but it's before the cut-off date, so I'm sure it won't be a problem.
  12. Benjamin Bunny Jedi Youngling

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    Just make sure to add enough to go around. How many teams are there going to be?

    Some of the most powerful people on the level of the above mentioned would include Spawn, Spectre and The Sentry. Onslaught and Despero are really tough. Ronan the Accuser isn't on the list unless I just missed him.

    What if we put all these people that are borderline "team killers" on a list and say that each team can only have one from that grouping?

    So far you would have Hope Summers, Darkseid, Thanos, Spawn, Spetre, The Sentry, Onslaught, Despero, Ronan the Accuser, Dr. Strange & Dr. Fate. It probably wouldn't be that hard to find a few more to give everyone some good options out of that list.

    EDIT: There is also H'el & Amazo.
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  13. MandaloreYak Force Ghost

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    Ha. Haha. Should've seen that one coming.
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  14. DarthIntegral Game Winner

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    I actually liked the user if a"power list". I looked what it added to strategy ... You could wait for a "lesser big gun" and get a top normal pick, knowing you weren't forever punting on that level of power.
  15. heels1785 Community & Prequel Trilogy Manager

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    I also like that plan- we could also say power lists couldn't be prepped in individual battles? That may cut down on the domination. Just a thought.
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  16. EmpireForever Chosen One

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    There are just a couple of problems I have with it, and those are 1) I don't want to hold people's hand during drafting, I just want to be sure there's not an imbalance which would make it totally unfair to the bottom of the first round(assuming drafting is done properly), 2) that list would be very short right now, and if you wait you're pretty much forced to take someone you may not want to, and 3) where do we put the cut-off?

    If we want to do a PL again, I'm here to give the people what they want, but I think it presents problems of its own.


    p.s. good catch with Spawn; we nearly missed him.
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  17. Benjamin Bunny Jedi Youngling

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    In that case just throw them all on one list and let it go, you won't hear me complain if I make bad picks and get beat. Please put Ronan on there though, I like that dude and he is bad ass. Also, maybe you could add Gamora and team her up with Pip the Troll.

    Just tossing ideas here.
  18. MandaloreYak Force Ghost

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    EF you need your hand held.
  19. EmpireForever Chosen One

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    Yeah...

    Okay, here's what I'm going to do. For those that want a PL list(or those characters which would necessitate the need for a PL), I want a list of names of no less than 12--preferably 16-20--people that deserve to be on that list. The list will be one pick per team. If we can't get that together, then I don't see how we can justify putting in people who, as far as I can see, can't be reasonably stopped.
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  20. MandaloreYak Force Ghost

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    As you know, I'm all for leaving them out. Are we going to work more on team picks?
  21. Benjamin Bunny Jedi Youngling

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    The more I consider it the more I think that a "powerlist" isn't really needed. People will make bad picks no matter what you do, that is their choice to do and nobody's fault but their own.

    The characters most likely able to be considered "team killers" would be Thanos, Darksied, Onslaught, Dr. Strange, Dr. Fate, Amazo, Despero, Spawn, Superboy Prime, The Sentry.

    From my perspective however, once you remove those you have a whole new set of team killers to deal with. X-Man, Quasar, Cyborg Superman, Ultron, Black Bolt, Firestorm, etc.

    Then after you remove them you have another group that will be far above the next level. It seems to go on and, every layer you remove will be followed by another layer that will suddenly be considered "team killers"

    I am open to what ever is decided by those who know more than I do.

    What about Larfleeze?

    Items:
    No Infinity Gems
    Zemo will be with Moonstones, and Moonstone is in possession of 1 Moonstone(but currently still has the retained power from the broken one, so that's fair game)


    The List(new adds in blue)

    Abomination
    Absorbing Man
    Adam Warlock
    Agent X
    Alexander Luthor, Jr.
    Alexander Nero
    Allen the Alien
    Amazo
    Angela
    Animal Man
    Annihilus
    Ant-Man (Choose version)
    Apocalypse
    Arachne
    Ares
    Asp / Black Mamba
    Atlas (Eric Josten)
    Atom Eve
    Atom Smasher
    Atomic Skull
    Atrocitus
    Aurora/Northstar
    Azrael
    Bane/Ragdoll
    Banshee/Siryn
    Baron Helmut Zemo (w/Moonstones)
    Baron Strucker
    Bastion
    Batgirl
    Batman/Catwoman
    Batwoman/Flamebird (Bette Kane)
    Beta Ray Bill
    Bizzaro
    Black Adam
    Black Bolt
    Black Lightning
    Black Manta
    Black Mask
    Black Panther
    Black Racer / Copperhead
    Black Samson
    Black Tom Cassidy
    Black Widow I / Winter Soldier
    Blackfire
    Blade
    Blade/Morbius
    Blastaar (pre cosmic control rod)
    Blink
    Blockbuster
    Blue Devil
    Boy Blue
    Bullseye/Moonstone
    Burnout
    Cable/Domino
    Callisto/Anna Lee
    Cannonball
    Captain America (Steve Rogers)/Falcon
    Captain Atom
    Captain Britain
    Captain Comet (post crisis only)
    Captain Marvel
    Captain Marvel Jr.
    Captain Nazi
    Carnage
    Cassandra Cain/Stephanie Brown
    Cassandra Nova Xavier
    Clayface (specify which)
    Clint Barton/Bobbi Morse
    Cloak/Dagger
    Coachwhip / Cobra
    Conquest
    Constrictor
    Cosmic Boy
    Crossbones / Sin
    Count Nefaria
    Cy-gor
    Cyber
    Cyborg Superman (no power rings)
    Cyclops/Jean Gray
    Daredevil/Elektra
    Darkhawk
    Darksied
    Deadpool/Taskmaster
    Deadshot/Catman
    Deathbird
    Deathstroke/Jericho
    Demogoblin
    Despero
    Doc Samson
    Doomsday(Gog Wars)
    Doppelganger
    Dr. Bong
    Dr. Doom
    Dr. Fate
    Dr. Polaris
    Dr. Strange
    Drax the Destroyer
    Dupli-Kate/The Immortal
    Elsa Bloodstone
    Enchantress
    Etrigan, the Demon
    Evinlea
    Exodus
    Extant
    Fairchild
    Fin Fang Foom
    Firelord
    Firestar
    Firestorm (specify which)
    Freefall
    Garth Ranzz
    General Zod
    Geo-Force
    Genis-Vell
    Ghost Rider
    Giganta
    Gladiator
    Gorgon
    Gorilla Grodd
    Grayven
    Green Arrow
    Green Lantern (Hal Jordan)
    Green Lantern (John Stewart)
    Green Lantern (Kyle Rayner)
    Green Lantern (choose which)[other than Hal, Kyle, John]
    Grunge
    Guardian (James "Mac" MacDonald Hudson)
    Hank Pym/Wasp
    Havok
    Hawkgirl/Hawkman
    Hector Hammond
    Hellboy
    Hellstorm
    Hercules
    Holocaust
    Human Torch (Johnny Storm)
    Ian Nottingham
    Ikaris
    Indigo
    Invincible
    Invisible Woman
    Ion
    Iron Fist/Luke Cage
    Iron Man
    Jade
    Jakeem Thunder
    Juggernaut
    Kalibak
    Kang the Conqueror
    KGBeast
    Kid Flash
    Killer Croc
    Killer Frost
    Kingpin
    Knockout/Scandal
    Lady Deathstrike
    Lady Shiva/Black Canary
    Lex Luthor
    Live Wire
    Lizard
    Lobo
    Loki
    Longshot
    Luke Cage
    M (Monet)
    Machine Man
    Mad Thinker
    Madelyne Pryor
    Maestro
    Magik
    Magneto
    Major Force
    Mandarin
    Martian Manhunter
    Marvel Boy (Noh-Varr)
    Marvel Girl (Rachel Summers)
    Master Mold
    Maxima
    Meltdown
    Metallo
    Metamorpho
    MODOK
    Mongul (no Power Ring)
    Monica Rambeau
    Mongul the First
    Monster Girl/Robot
    Moon Knight
    Moondragon
    Morbius
    Morlun
    Mr. Fantastic
    Mr. Freeze
    Mr. Majestic
    Mr. Sinister
    Mr. Terrific
    Ms. Marvel
    Multiple Man
    Mystique
    Namor
    Namorita
    Nightshade
    Nimrod
    Nova
    Obsidian
    Omega Red
    Omni-Man
    Onslaught
    Orion
    Overt-kill
    Parasite
    Penance
    Pitt
    Plastic Man
    Plutonian
    Poison Ivy
    Polaris
    Post
    Power Girl
    Professor X
    Puck
    Purple Man
    Quasar
    Quicksilver
    Qztr
    Ra's Al Ghul/Talia Al Ghul
    Radioactive Man
    Ragman
    Ragnarok
    Rainmaker
    Raven
    Red Hood (Jason Todd)
    Red Skull/Heinrich Zemo
    Red Tornado
    Rex Splode
    Rhino
    Robin (Tim Drake)
    Ronan the Accuser
    Rulk
    Sabretooth
    Sasquatch
    Scarecrow
    Scorpion (Carmilla Black)
    Sebastian Shaw
    Selene
    Sentinel (Mutant-hunting robot)
    Sentinel (Alan Scott)
    Shadow King (original body)
    She-Hulk
    Silver Surfer
    Sinestro
    Siryn
    Skaar
    Solomon Grundy
    Songbird
    Spawn
    Spider-Man/Black Cat
    Spider-Woman (Jessica Drew)
    Star Sapphire (specify which)
    Stargirl
    Starlord/Rocket Racoon
    Steel (specify which)
    Strong Guy
    Stryfe
    Super Skrull
    Superboy Prime
    Supergirl
    Superman
    Swamp Thing
    Talisman
    Taskmaster
    Temugin
    Terrax
    Thanos
    The Darkness
    The Flash (specify which)
    The Incredible Hulk (specify which)
    The Joker/Harleu Quinn
    The Midnighter
    The Punisher
    The Savage Dragon
    The Sentry
    The Shapesmith
    The Shark (Karshon)
    The Thing
    The Wrecker/Thunderball
    Thor
    Tiger Shark
    Titania
    Toxin
    Ultra-boy
    Ultron
    Umbra
    Unus the Untouachable
    US Agent
    Vandal Savage
    Venom (specify Eddie Brock or Mac Gargan)
    Vermin
    Vindicator
    Violater
    Volcana
    Vulcan
    Wade Elling (Shaggy Man)
    War Machine
    Warbird
    Witchblade
    Wonder Man
    Wonder Woman
    X-Man
    Zoom (Hunter Zolomon)
  22. EmpireForever Chosen One

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    Waiting for the post with the list to be restored.
  23. whiteeagle Force Ghost

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    Was Nightwing taken off the list?
  24. EmpireForever Chosen One

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    No he's on one of the team lists which got cut off in the post. As soon as I get that post restored we're ready to move forward(there are way too many names on them to be able to start them from scratch.
  25. NYCitygurl NSWFF Manager

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    It'll be a few days. I put in a request, but Grimby's on reduced time.