Discussion in 'Community' started by DarthIntegral, Sep 13, 2007.
fair enough. and glad to see dr. bong made it back, but he's sort of in the same camp.
Camp is definitely the word I would use for Dr. Bong.
well if we're going to camp, then i'm definitely sharing tents with that guy!
(and yes i knew what you really meant)
Good looking list, EF.
I wasn't involved in the last one- how did Fate get knocked out of the discussion? I'm assuming too powerful, but I just didn't know what the argument against him was.
i would also ask the same question about darkseid and marvel's version of him (thanos). i mean, if we're bringing back so many heavy-hitters; let's take off the kid gloves.
I'd be inclined to agree there.
@MandaloreYak come make your push for Despero.
I say throw them all in and be done with it, also add Hope Summers.
These people are on the maybe go list but I don't think I can edit my post anymore.
If no one says anything by tomorrow, we'll probably end up putting all of those guys back in(to include Fate and Strange).
Wow. You guys are insane. Where are
The thing is, while I don't mind allowing some of these guys in, I do want to be aware of team killers. It's a problem when only four teams can get a Thanos and then there's a significant drop in power. I guess it comes down to whether or not you think we've got enough people that can beat Thanos and Darkseid and Strange etc. to justify putting them in. I don't care about the ceiling of power, I care about the distribution of power, and while I'm not going to babysit people's picks, I do want to make sure everyone is getting the same general value for their positions; round 2 should not be very far removed from round 1, etc.
I actually already found and asked Grimby about that one. Waiting on a response, but it's before the cut-off date, so I'm sure it won't be a problem.
Just make sure to add enough to go around. How many teams are there going to be?
Some of the most powerful people on the level of the above mentioned would include Spawn, Spectre and The Sentry. Onslaught and Despero are really tough. Ronan the Accuser isn't on the list unless I just missed him.
What if we put all these people that are borderline "team killers" on a list and say that each team can only have one from that grouping?
So far you would have Hope Summers, Darkseid, Thanos, Spawn, Spetre, The Sentry, Onslaught, Despero, Ronan the Accuser, Dr. Strange & Dr. Fate. It probably wouldn't be that hard to find a few more to give everyone some good options out of that list.
EDIT: There is also H'el & Amazo.
Ha. Haha. Should've seen that one coming.
I actually liked the user if a"power list". I looked what it added to strategy ... You could wait for a "lesser big gun" and get a top normal pick, knowing you weren't forever punting on that level of power.
I also like that plan- we could also say power lists couldn't be prepped in individual battles? That may cut down on the domination. Just a thought.
There are just a couple of problems I have with it, and those are 1) I don't want to hold people's hand during drafting, I just want to be sure there's not an imbalance which would make it totally unfair to the bottom of the first round(assuming drafting is done properly), 2) that list would be very short right now, and if you wait you're pretty much forced to take someone you may not want to, and 3) where do we put the cut-off?
If we want to do a PL again, I'm here to give the people what they want, but I think it presents problems of its own.
p.s. good catch with Spawn; we nearly missed him.
In that case just throw them all on one list and let it go, you won't hear me complain if I make bad picks and get beat. Please put Ronan on there though, I like that dude and he is bad ass. Also, maybe you could add Gamora and team her up with Pip the Troll.
Just tossing ideas here.
EF you need your hand held.
Okay, here's what I'm going to do. For those that want a PL list(or those characters which would necessitate the need for a PL), I want a list of names of no less than 12--preferably 16-20--people that deserve to be on that list. The list will be one pick per team. If we can't get that together, then I don't see how we can justify putting in people who, as far as I can see, can't be reasonably stopped.
As you know, I'm all for leaving them out. Are we going to work more on team picks?
The more I consider it the more I think that a "powerlist" isn't really needed. People will make bad picks no matter what you do, that is their choice to do and nobody's fault but their own.
The characters most likely able to be considered "team killers" would be Thanos, Darksied, Onslaught, Dr. Strange, Dr. Fate, Amazo, Despero, Spawn, Superboy Prime, The Sentry.
From my perspective however, once you remove those you have a whole new set of team killers to deal with. X-Man, Quasar, Cyborg Superman, Ultron, Black Bolt, Firestorm, etc.
Then after you remove them you have another group that will be far above the next level. It seems to go on and, every layer you remove will be followed by another layer that will suddenly be considered "team killers"
I am open to what ever is decided by those who know more than I do.
What about Larfleeze?
No Infinity Gems
Zemo will be with Moonstones, and Moonstone is in possession of 1 Moonstone(but currently still has the retained power from the broken one, so that's fair game)
The List(new adds in blue)
Alexander Luthor, Jr.
Allen the Alien
Ant-Man (Choose version)
Asp / Black Mamba
Atlas (Eric Josten)
Baron Helmut Zemo (w/Moonstones)
Batwoman/Flamebird (Bette Kane)
Beta Ray Bill
Black Racer / Copperhead
Black Tom Cassidy
Black Widow I / Winter Soldier
Blastaar (pre cosmic control rod)
Captain America (Steve Rogers)/Falcon
Captain Comet (post crisis only)
Captain Marvel Jr.
Cassandra Cain/Stephanie Brown
Cassandra Nova Xavier
Clayface (specify which)
Clint Barton/Bobbi Morse
Coachwhip / Cobra
Crossbones / Sin
Cyborg Superman (no power rings)
Drax the Destroyer
Etrigan, the Demon
Fin Fang Foom
Firestorm (specify which)
Green Lantern (Hal Jordan)
Green Lantern (John Stewart)
Green Lantern (Kyle Rayner)
Green Lantern (choose which)[other than Hal, Kyle, John]
Guardian (James "Mac" MacDonald Hudson)
Human Torch (Johnny Storm)
Iron Fist/Luke Cage
Kang the Conqueror
Lady Shiva/Black Canary
Marvel Boy (Noh-Varr)
Marvel Girl (Rachel Summers)
Mongul (no Power Ring)
Mongul the First
Ra's Al Ghul/Talia Al Ghul
Red Hood (Jason Todd)
Red Skull/Heinrich Zemo
Robin (Tim Drake)
Ronan the Accuser
Scorpion (Carmilla Black)
Sentinel (Mutant-hunting robot)
Sentinel (Alan Scott)
Shadow King (original body)
Spider-Woman (Jessica Drew)
Star Sapphire (specify which)
Steel (specify which)
The Flash (specify which)
The Incredible Hulk (specify which)
The Joker/Harleu Quinn
The Savage Dragon
The Shark (Karshon)
Unus the Untouachable
Venom (specify Eddie Brock or Mac Gargan)
Wade Elling (Shaggy Man)
Zoom (Hunter Zolomon)
Waiting for the post with the list to be restored.
Was Nightwing taken off the list?
No he's on one of the team lists which got cut off in the post. As soon as I get that post restored we're ready to move forward(there are way too many names on them to be able to start them from scratch.
It'll be a few days. I put in a request, but Grimby's on reduced time.