Discussion in 'Literature' started by TypoCelchu, Oct 30, 2012.
I still think that TCW is the bane of the EU but that's just me.
I hate the choice of J.J Abrams. I hated star trek and I thought super 8 was meh. I really wish it was spielberg.
Im gonna hope his treatment of EU is similar to ST though.
At least I now have the additional hope of a Force caused Time Warp thingy that splits off the current Star Wars universe from the new one that Disney will pimp out till the franchise is dead other than to sell toys....
Sometimes it is and sometimes it isn't. Look at my icon -- I never for the life of me thought we'd see Monument Plaza depicted on screen, and TCW did it. That alone justifies the show's existence, imo. Yeah, they combined two different McQuarrie sketches to do it and therefore changed its appearance from the way the EU described it but it was actually a change for the better.
Seeing the plaza, the restaurants, and Umate on screen might've been my biggest ZOMG moment in the entire show.
I don't believe JJ should have any say about EU and canon. He's director, Michael Arndt is the writer so it's more likely his decision/thing
Isn't Lucas closer to his role in regards to Ep VII as he was with TESB than he was the PT?
No, because the EU could work with that a lot better than, say, showing Muunilinst to be covered with jungles and the Muuns living in Egyptian-inspired architecture. Scipio is an unknown, and the EU can fill in the vast amount of information that the CWAS won't provide.
When the CWAS ends, they can easily deal with something new rather than the trashing of something established. The problem has always been with the off-hand way they change something that leaves absolutely no room for interpretation - case in point, the arbitrary moving of Rodia from the Mid Rim to Outer Rim. Why? Doesn't matter, a single line caused the planet to move without discussion. That's the problem.
This grizzled old veteran is with myron - it's drastically easier for a species to have multiple "homeworlds" than for one planet to have two completely opposing depictions.
Just wait till they change Byss to a into a Zeltron pleasure resort
....why would you say something so awful?
See, with Ryloth, I never saw an issue with that in itself. It could easily have been hand waived aside as Ryloth III rather than Ryloth II or whatever other planet in the system you wanted to go with.
Likewise, Mandalore never bothered me at all. "Mandalore" like "Bastion" have both been more than just names, but also akin to cultural capitals, like how there were multiple Alexandrias. They could equally easily have said that after one of the civil wars, one faction broke off, founded a New Mandalore, and that was that. Easy. Abel Pena lives for that kind of stuff.
Lazy writing? On one hand, yes, but no more than a lot of the EU. But the EU always retcons itself, we forget about it, live happily ever after. How many worlds have been called the birthplace of the Sith species? That's why I find the narrow minded interpretation is the real issue, both with TCW and inevitably the ST, as an editorial team that go "This is how it is. Deal with it." just aren't trying, when it'd be just as easy to utilise one of the simple overnight retcon devices that the EU has been using for decades to explain discrepancies.
The irony is how I'd bet money on TCW itself being retconned in 10 years time to make it fit better. It's just that it's the "in" thing right now. Which is why I'm fully expecting, even with the most EU loving team, that the ST will be allowed to steamroll things, even when they'll probably be just as easily retconnable in a future sourcebook.
Thats fine but officially speaking the Marvel/Traviss Mandalore and TCW Mandalore are the same world.
Which is my point.
The episode itself doesn't have a character say "This is the same place". It's the external commentary on the episode that has said that. Which needn't have been the case, and is why my concern is less who the ST's director or scriptwriter are, and more on who is going to be giving comment on it.
I've said elsewhere, even if Ben Skywalker doesn't appear, that doesn't mean he doesn't exist. Does Obi-Wan Kenobi ever say in ANH that he isn't on the run from his wife because he had an adulterous affair and has spawned twelve kids? No it doesn't. That could have been the case. It wasn't ANH that established him as a bachelor. For all anybody knew, Han Solo was his long lost son.
Likewise, any "problems" that arise from the ST are less likely to come down to what Abrams does or doesn't do, and more to do with what whoever writes the Making of Episode 7 book decides to include without thinking.
Most EU works don't get sourcebooks released at the same time as they're released. And that is why most things get retconned before they become a problem. TOR had loads of problems. But thankfully they got sorted out even before the game's release. TCW? It has silly OOC summaries the minute the episode airs, and that is why you get things established in stone, long before they need be. The kind of problems it has, though, aren't actually any different to most novels or video games.
Which is why the people who worry me the most are the authors who write the mountains of accompanying tie-in merchandise crap that always want to try and be clever.
I really don't see it as a problem. You realise we're actually now complaining about planets having ecosystems as diverse as Earth? Why can't Mandalore have deserts and jungles?
(I mean, from a meta-story point of view it makes sense - the New Mandos are at odds with the old ones, so they have to leave the lush jungles behind and live in the wastelands.)
Anyway, I maintain my stance that the death of the EU is preferable to ridiculous retcons. "Oh, Chewie didn't really die, he was a clone at that point and the real one was held captive on a prison planet." "Oh yeah, Luke has a teenage daughter, he was just keeping her secret so the Empire couldn't get her." "Oh, Lando died years ago, but he had a twin brother who we all call Lando." There is only so far the ST can diverge before keeping Star Wars as on continuity becomes a farce.
Marvel continuity says hello.
Still part of the EU though.
Well, a sense of humor is certainly needed if you're supposed to hang on for more than a couple of books. And it sure shouldn't bee too sophisticated
I think it's amazing and priceworthy how much the EU actually is able to embrace. And I think the deal that those who don't want to, can stick to the movies, has proves itself a good concept. I hope both praxes continue.
Actually I don't see the problem with that... wasn't it marketed by Palps (or his strawbeings) as a paradise world?
That would confirm the theory that Zeltrons are really descended from Sith.
Isn't 7,8 and 9 based on Lucas drafts which were ment to be about Luke finding his sister with his ghost father in tow.
Now of course he already had found his sister, He will be in his late 50's and his Dad's ghost will be young man in his 20's. Not sure how that will play out TBH
You've just made me picture Luke hunting for his lost Half-Human/Half-Togruta sister.
What? Does Anakin **** Ashoka in The Clone Wars?
This looks like a job for Chris Hansen...
I don't think circa ESB Luke and Leia were supposed to be related in Lucas's mind.
They weren't it was thrown into RTJ to wrap things up because at the time Lucas (and the rest of the crew) had had enough of Starwars and didn't want to make any more. I believe Luke was supposed to find her on another planet.
Didn't Lucas say Leia was originally intended to be the main character, before it was changed to Luke?
I believe there's a reference in Star Wars on Trial alluding to that.
J.J Abrams may be a huge fan of Star Wars... but I don't think it's been implied that he's a fan of the Expanded Universe as well. Has he even read any of the novels or comics that take place after Return of the Jedi?...... who knows. So weather or not the new films somehow tie in with the post ROTJ novels and comics remains to be seen.