Discussion in 'Literature' started by TypoCelchu, Oct 30, 2012.
Lit mods apparently don't hold anything back when they get the itch to use the banhammer.
Do you mean the change of Palpatine from corrupt politician, puppet of his own minions (ANH novel) to powerful driving force?
Plagueis coming back is definitely still what I would most enjoy seeing myself, yeah.
I suppose I'm simply torn on whether Lucas would have decided another Sith risked taking away from the story he's already told or risked just feeling like a rehash? After all, the most common criticism usually raised about the Post-ROTJ EU is how your average film purist dislike "more Sith" and have simply grown sick of seeing lightsaber duels, so three more films all about Sith could run the risk of film audiences becoming as fed up of lightsaber duels as we've grown of them in the EU.
Lightsabers were cool thirty years ago, but will they make kids go "wow" these days? Or is there the danger of them just going "wow..." sarcastically and thinking they've seen it all before in TCW?
That's what got me thinking about the possibility of him having gone for a totally different "theme", with the PT about separatism, the OT about dictatorship, and the ST being something else, like the secularism idea.
Not that I still don't fully expect a Sith to be behind whatever threat it is, even if it was an Anti-Force movement. Although, I equally could perhaps see a militant Jedi whose not Sith in name but very much a pseudosith kind of figure, who perhaps would take the Magneto route of saying "screw people", which could allow the story to both explore secularism and religious sectarianism at the same time, which both would give the new series a somewhat more contemporary feel, as opposed to just being more Space Nazis like the OT was.
Not that I want the ST to turn into some political diatribe like Traviss's work, but Lucax always did seem to think with "big pictures" in the back of his mind even though his work was ultimately pulp.
QFT. We're not in the 90s anymore. The fact that we have books driving forward the "main plot" and video games (and in a way even TCW) fitting into "gaps" is unusual enough by today's standards. This is going to change.
Also, as to what the ST could throw at us to keep things fresh, I'm still hoping for that Droid revolution. I know it might seem too SF-y for Star Wars, but with the Force and its ambiguous relationship to nonliving intelligence there's great potential for the more "mystical" side of SW as well. Add in the fact that two of the most iconic "heroes" of both the OT and the PT were Droids... and maybe have some unreconstructed Imperials unleash the revolution thinking it can help them to restore Imperial rule (but ultimately forcing the two sides to work together against the common threat)... and you've got both the "freshness" and the connection to the OT/PT.
I'd definitely enjoy a droid revolution, just not sure whether it'd feel too much like the CIS droid army again? That's what got me thinking about some secularist group who wanted to finally see the church and the establishment separated, so to speak, and whose army wouldn't be Sith, nor droids, nor clones, but I suppose some kind of, er... I'm trying to avoid the word "supercommandos".
Although I suppose that'd be just as much a rip off of Halo as droid revolutions would be the PT or BSG, so now that I think about it nothing would be 100% original, so I suppose either story could be just as likely.
And yeah, the EU really is an anomaly in terms of what drives the "main plot" isn't it? The TOR spin-offs are pretty much what I'm convinced any reboot would be like: completely secondary to anything audio-visual, with more cases like Threat of Peace that got ignored a few months later by whatever the next blockbuster video game or spin-off movie was due to the reality that literature just isn't as popular a medium.
This is why, assuming the EU remains relatively intact, I can see myself becoming more of an Old Republic Era person, as even if the ST itself is cool, I'm just not sure I see myself being that invested in the form that I foresee most tie-ins taking. As while the PT had loads of second rate crappy video games too (although I stand by my belief that the Episode I video game was a classic ), video gaming just wasn't as mainstream twelve years ago, whereas this time I can see LucasArts genuinely wanting to put out some good film tie-ins, and there'll inevitably be some kind of television show after TCW ends that'll probably be used to "bridge the gaps" between each film in the way the novels did back for the prequels.
In a sense, I basically picture it like history in reverse: we won't be seeing TCW retconning the Clone Wars novels; this time TCW will be what we get first, and it'll be the novels that get left to pick up whatever remote threads are leftover.
Hello more Darth Maul novels!!!
Though on the other hand, if the EU (or most of it) remains intact, I will so buy every tie-in book and comic (for a while, at least) just to see how it connects to what we know.
I don't think so... neither plot-wise or aesthetically, in fact. It makes a huge difference whether you have armies of identical battle-droids who are designated cannon fodder, or the everyday droids everybody relies upon suddenly taking up arms against their masters.
But I do like the aforcist idea, too... different from atheism though it would be, seeing as Force powers are an empirical reality in the GFFA (not however the underlying ideology, what with the "Will of the Force" and stuff -- a concept that I would definitely like to be exposed to some IU critical scrutiny, btw). It could potentially put the whole "elite" thing that was present in the PT (and in a way also in the OT) into an interesting new light.
Yeah, I get it, lens flares, hahaha. But honestly? This looks badass.
I don't mind the lens flares myself.
And wow - I really want to see the Falcon on the big screen again.
Oh god that's awful.
I mean, I've been basically ignoring all the "lens flare" jokes because I never bothered to see the Star Trek reboot, but that reel is basically one long explanation of why DPs used to do everything possible to avoid lens flare.
Those lightsabers could give a person seizures.
The trailer itself is actually fairly well edited though; I particularly like the music.
But yeah, I'd prefer they keep lens flares to a minimum in Star Wars; the films really need to go back to the "used universe" feel. Everything in the PT felt much too shiny.
Didn't JJ agree that in hindsight he used them too much, but he wanted to show how bright the future was. So depending on how they will show the future of Star Wars we could have lots of lens flares or not at all.
Well the future of SW is still the past, so we're good.
It's absurd to think that he'd actually put flares on the lightsabers, but at this point, if I were him I'd stick one or two in there somewhere just to rile people up.
Nah, not lightsabers, he can have the whole screen flare up when Darth Mauldalore the Immortal starts firing off Force Lightning.
Am I the only one who would die laughing if Darth Maul turned to be the primary antagonist of t he ST?
It would fit, somehow- from a "merchandising" point of view- Maul was one of the most popular bits of TPM after all.
This time he's been so sliced up he's just a floating head: he can kill you with his BRAIN!
Please, Lord, if it has to be a resurrected Sith, please make it Plagueis, not more Maul, anything but that.
Give us... the HAND of Darth Vader, yes! The lost hand that disappeared when it and the Glove were shot through time and space in the wormhole! I'll take a floating hand in a jar before Maul!!
The hand of Vader, the head of Dooku and the lower body of Maul... we almost have a whole set! The other arm we can take from Ponda Baba to increase diversity.
Give him the Hat of K'krukh for good measure. Only then will he be complete.
This is some of the best Star Wars I've heard in a good while. Star Wars belongs in the cinema, and shouldn't be confined to only books and comics. It is a film, and that's where its heart is. I expect only the best. And only good for the EU can come from this. An opportunity to wash our pallets, as it were, of some, well, bad EU decisions. To each their own, but quite a bit of the post-ROTJ EU has been something of a train wreck for me. I love Zahn's work, who doesn't, but the rest has been barely digestible. A chance to keep Chewbacca alive, which I fully support, remove the crap with the Solo twins. The opportunities are endless.
If rumors are true, Ben Skywalker won't even exist, and that's great! For me, it's the best that could happen. Destroying most of the bad post-ROTJ EU, and an opportunity to rebuild it with hindsight on their many mistakes. I'm giddy as a schoolgirl!
You're going to have to be more specific.
And which rumors would that be? It's one thing to support the idea, but it's another to pass around hearsay about it.
Jacen's arc became a disaster for me, it felt so unnecessary, and it lacked any weight to it. Killing Mara Jade doesn't suddenly make the series.
Back from when Matthew Vaughn was attached, there was a rumor Chloe was being considered for Skywalker's only child. That removes Ben. It's all rumors, but I support the change. Thanks.
What change do you support? The change that is rumored to be happening due to the rumors?
why would you support a rumor . . . it makes no sense
I like the rumor of a female only child Skywalker, and I support that kind of change, since I'm not beholden to continuity. It may be a rumor, but it gets me excited. And it means my daughter will be able to follow a female leading Jedi. That's just cool ideas all around.
Sorry you were confused.
I'm thinking it might actually be best for the Sequel Trilogy to take place around 60-70 years after ROTJ... starring the generation that exists between Jag/Jaina and Roan, between Ben and Nat/Kol... when Luke, Han, and Leia would truly be the old guys, ready for one last adventure after a couple peaceful decades of retirement...
That way, if the movie people wanted to create and focus on their own Skywalker and Solo characters, such as starring a female Skywalker, it could be Luke's granddaughter. Doesn't overwrite any existing EU that way, and the movie people still get to create and shape their own characters. And it would still make sense for Luke, Leia, Han to appear if they want, but in a limited and supporting role.