Discussion in 'Literature' started by TypoCelchu, Oct 30, 2012.
This. I will be amazed if this would happen.
Even Mara's death aside, explaining Mara at all would require more work, even if she was still alive, as Ben would be the film's protagonist, and people totally unfamiliar with the EU wouldn't even know that Luke had met someone, how they met, what their name was, etc, etc, etc. Whereas Jaina? ROTJ already set up that Han and Leia had become a couple, so starting a film with their kid is easy and totally predictable to a film audience.
And while Jag could pose a slight barrier, he's enough of a cliche ("Leia's daughter met a "good" Imperial") that he's not that hard to accommodate, if he even needs to be mentioned at all (not like we ever met Obi-Wan's secret harem in Mos Espa).
Even if this random website has any credibility, taking this as some sort of indication the EU characters will be used is ridiculous. I mean it's only logical for the descendants of Han and Leia to be characters in the sequel trilogy.
I think you're mixing up the ST and Crucible. Though Han may very well get a bigger role in the ST, because, y'know, Harrison Ford.
That could very well be the case. However I took "The focus is on Han, so it's his kid and grandkid" to mean the ST, given Han's had a kid for decades and a grandchild for a few years but FOTJ certainly has not been focussed on Han. Don't know much about Crucible though, isn't it meant to be some kind of big hurrah for the Big Three? So completely unlike anything I've read before!
Sorry, by "you're" I meant Matteus.
And yeah, there was an official comment a while back suggesting that Crucible was a Han-driven story, which was backed up by a blurb posted a couple days ago.
"Last hurrah", heh...
Del Rey speak for: "Emergence of new uberthreat that causes the Big 3 to put their plans for retirement on hold and save the galaxy one last [hah] time."
Who, in the meantime, will be doing this.
I don't see what would be so hard to explain. The Legacy TPBs have a short intro like the text of every SW movie that easily explains that time has passed, gave the relevant info and got on with the story. Of course, DH actually cares about the EU while Disney ... we don't know.
Explaining that the mother of Luke's child was an Imperial assassin would take up the entire crawl on its own.
Hey, don't get me wrong--I'd be thrilled if they did it, but I can see why they wouldn't.
The fact that the term 'cinematic canon' popped recently (I believe within TOS material regarding the CWAS) makes me wonder if indeed we're moving away from the old Holocron canon to something like Marvel (in regards to the movies and the comics and how they are handled) like I've been suggesting... but I also realize that's fairly flimsy speculation coupled with a desire to be right.
Completely unrelated, having gone to DisneyWorld for my birthday recently, Disney would have to be the worst-run company ever if they don't take this opportunity to convert part of Hollywood Studios to a whole Star Wars area centered on StarTours.
You're not crazy--that stood out to me too.
I wouldn't worry too much about "cinematic canon" being all that different from what we have now. These blurbs are not themselves written by the Hand of God, and it may have just been a way of saying "a thing with moving pictures" as opposed "visually," which would include games and comics.
That being said, I'm all for yellow sabers. I like the idea that Luke's Order was more colorful, in pretty much every way, than the last.
sorry. I am talking about Crucible. Yes because the plot is focused on some Han Solo enemy, it seems likely that those two characters will be featured. Now I assume that there are no plans to scrap the Sword of the Jedi series. If that is so, then we can count on Jaina to at least make this new ST.
That's not at all necessary or really relevant to having Ben in the movie though. You wouldn't even really need the crawl to say anything about Mara at all. That could come up in the course of the movie, mentioned in passing all like "since my Jedi mom died I've been working really hard at preserving her memory" or whatever. Or Luke "Ben, since your mother died I've been blah blah blah."
I think there are probably enough casuals aware of Mara Jade that her existence, passing, and having bore Ben Skywalker would be fairly easily absorbed by audiences without too much need for information. She was, after all, once considered the most popular EU character and has had numerous collectible products of her likeness produced, a graphic novel of her own, one featuring her and Luke getting married, was in one of Cade Skywalker's big Force visions, was the main playable character in the Jedi Knight: Mysteries of the Sith expansion and was a major player in the novels. The familiarity is there, can be relatively easily referenced in promotional pieces in magazines just to get folks up to speed on just how the heck is this Ben Skywalker anyway and it doesn't have to complicate matters too much.
I would think if Ben, Jaina and Allana were to be the new trio for the ST one of them would be at risk of falling to the dark side... and if Disney and LFL were actually interested in preserving the EU and using those characters, Allana would be the logical choice since she hasn't faced that test. Both Ben and Jaina have been down that road a couple times.
^This. Thank you. I've felt like this was the most organic solution to Mara's absence since first hearing about this. Just discuss her in the affectionate past-tense, acknowledging how much she meant/means to Luke and Ben without needing to get bogged down in extraneous detail. Exposition is not a language people naturally speak, anyway. Maybe tell a short, funny story of something they did together. But if people really need more than that, well...they can crack open a book like the rest of us.
Yeah, all Luke has to say is, "you have/are blah blah blah, just like your mother... she'd be so proud of you."
I've got to say, I created my own outline of how I would do Episode 7, for fun, and I think this would be a really cool way to reference some more EU:
* Luke faces Plagueis, Plagueis explains who he is and all that, and how the Skywalker bloodline is "destined" to serve him. Luke says he'll never turn to the dark side, Plagueis says he already has, and does a Wyyrlok-inspired series of Force-induced-flashbacks of the worst times in Luke's life... which would include the death of Owen and Beru, learning Vader is his father, nearly killing Vader, and then depict a few EU events too like sending Anakin Solo to his death, Jacen killing Mara, and Luke beheading Lumiya.
(Luke keeps a clear head, of course, but then Plagueis reveals that he's captured Ben, strikes Ben down, killing him, but then proves his power by resurrecting Ben as Luke holds his dead body, and then letting Luke and Ben escape, saying they'll choose to come back to him someday soon ... And at the end of Episode 8, Luke and Ben face Plagueis again, all their doubts gone, and both are killed by Plagueis as they recite the Jedi Code; unknown to most, though, is that Vestara, who was a Jedi but then secretly joined Plagueis, seduced Ben and is pregnant, even though Ben before his death ended up choosing his other love interest... and in Episode 9, the other love interest rescues Ben's child from Vestara and the Sith, saving him from possession by Plagueis).
I wouldn't jump to that conclusion just yet
I'm not sure why everyone assumes that EU characters can't be used because it will be too confusing to non-EU fans. Everyone survived the prequels just fine with basically all new characters. I remember leaning over to my husband in the theater and saying, "who the hell is Grievous?", but I survived just fine. I'm sure most movie patrons will suspect that the characters continued to live their lives between episodes 6 and 7, and that stuff happened I think it would be more strange if the movies picked up with Luke, Leia, and Han with no marriages, no kids, nothing.
I don't want to sound like a jerk, but I honestly can't read all 141 pages to see if this question was answered. Please forgive me if it was:
In the George Lucas era of EU, there were rules about what characters and stories you could and couldn't write about. Do you think this will still exist? Or is it out the window? If it does exist? Who's making the rules?
They will, and debatably already are, honor his wishes as a consulting producer, but the difference now is that legally they don't have to. A couple years down the line, when Lucas has other things going on, will be a whole different story.
Yeah, this. I've been saying this exact same thing for awhile now.
Explaining anything in the opening synopsis is a big no-no. It'd be like them explaining who Luke's parents were in the synopsis of ANH. Or the synopsis of RotS explaining that Anakin Skywalker had an apprentice for the past severral years...but where is she now? Etc. The synopsis can only explain what is needed for the audience to know what is happening NOW as the story begins. I don't think it will matter to the general audience who Ben's mother is, only that Luke is his father, as long as the plot/story/action is good. There can be references and teasers, of course....like this: "Allana, your grandmother was a great Jedi Knight who fought in the Vong wars..." Or, Ben and Luke pause to regard a statue of Mara in the main hall of the Jedi temple. That sort of thing. Also, D/LFL WANTS new general audience members to go out and buy the latest Visual Guide if they're curious....that's the demographic the Visual Guides are made for, after all. They cerrtainly don't make 'em for us crazy uber-fans whho know everything about Star Wars, anyway.
I just took "cinematic canon" as their new way of saying "G-canon", since it isn't George himself now, simply the movies.
C-Canon is the new G-Canon? I'm cool with that.
Zahn was asked about that on his facebook, here is his response
"R2-D2, you know better than to trust a strange computer." Seriously, until you see something on StarWars.com, you should probably chalk it up to internet rumor and go on with your life. Still, it *would* be nice if it were true..."
Pretty much confirms it's not true