Lit Disney Wars: Episode 7 and the EU (Disney Purchasing Lucasfilm, intends to release Ep 7 in 2015)

Discussion in 'Literature' started by TypoCelchu, Oct 30, 2012.

  1. Grey1 Host: 181st Imperial Discussion Group

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    I think it's generally 1 but with a healthy dose of 3. I don't see any reason not to pull through with those books unless they have really bad quality or the authors don't finish them in time, and I'd be surprised if hey didn't know these authors well by now.

    The thing is, DR wants to sell. Maybe they'll market these books differently, but I wouldn't know how. Crucible actually wins thanks to the announcement, no matter how Infinities it'll end up. People will see those old guys that they keep hearing so much about in movie news. SotJ is more difficult - either it's "hey it's Jedi and we don't guess you'd care about the difference between Jaina Solo, Jax Pavan or Jaden Korr anyway" or they'll go the other route and sell it as the last hurrah of the EU started by Zahn in 1991, building on the fact that this is the final time you'll see a Zahn-invented character on the pages. Regularly, people tend to watch the final episode of a television show even if they know it'll be the last. Even more so if they know it's the grand finale - find out how these characters finally will rest in peace.

    Addendum: Actually, Ep7 saves DR from doing SW with just the kid generation. We always asked for it, they never retired the old guys, now they can retire the young guys. Legacy fans should also love this, because even if you get no development of the Legacy backstory, you also get nothing contradicting it, like having 80 years of Jedi fighting Sith when it was supposed to be a quiet era.

    While I guess that those books will be as unrelated to Ep7 as possible, I find the possibility of them being cancelled without anyone knowing any information except for "they were meant to be mindblowing and ultra-secret" extremely funny.
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  2. Arawn_Fenn Force Ghost

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    The story lined up, it just left unexplained what a certain character was doing for 25 years.

    No, it does not.
  3. Ulicus A Moderate Guy (Literature)

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    I agree. It'd also allow an exploration of genres beyond space opera within the universe. You could have, like, Star Wars heist movies.
  4. cthugha Jedi Grand Master

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    Oooh... and Star Wars spy thrillers! Star Wars space horror (Death Troopers says hi)! Star Wars musicals! [face_skull]
    ...totally serious about the former two, though. Now I just wish that the ST was over already so we could get to all the juicy bits :p
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  5. Gorefiend Jedi Grand Master

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    That one is actually the least of that movies problems, here are just some of the others

    http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies/inconsistencies-trekxi.htm

    It did, it made very clear that it happens in a very different time stream than the rest of Star Trek, if the same thing would have been done in an Episode, they would have just hit the reset on the end and went on with the program as usual.
  6. MistrX Jedi Grand Master

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    I like the idea of spinoff films. I remember when Joe Johnston I think it was proposed making a Boba Fett-centered movie, I was game for the idea. I think it would be great to get films like that, as they suggested the way they've made and continue to make various films about different Marvel characters. That's actually something I think The Clone Wars does right, giving us episodes focused on characters throughout the conflict rather than just Anakin, Obi-Wan, and Ahsoka all the time. I'd certainly watch Star Wars films that aren't necessarily Skywalker or Solo-centered.

    Slightly different situation, though. The new Trek universe is supposed to be an alternate timeline, like the mirror universe or the "Parallels" realities Worf kept jumping around in. For whatever reason, the time travel this time around creates a new timeline without destroying the old universe.

    It seems to me that some are suggesting that if the new movies replace the post-ROTJ EU, we should only treat one or the other as canon, making the other Infinities. As some have suggested with The Clone Wars, the two universe wouldn't be meant to coexist. One would be the official one and one wouldn't.
  7. beccatoria Jedi Grand Master

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    Which was announced so long ago, like, almost certainly before Lucas had even approached Disney, that I really struggle to believe that there's anything to the notion that this project has something to do with the new movies.
  8. instantdeath Jedi Grand Master

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    The problem with that is the EU will probably start trying to fit in with the ST.
  9. Zorrixor Force Ghost

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    People, people, people... if there's one thing the sequels won't have any impact on, its Kemp finishing his duology. :p

    [IMG]
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  10. Esg Jedi Grand Master

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    Dark Side Kyle says **** your reboots
  11. Zorrixor Force Ghost

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    We should start a petition for Chuck Norris to do a cameo in the sequels as Kyle.
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  12. Arawn_Fenn Force Ghost

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    Some of it does. What we see in the mind meld, however, is the Prime timeline. The film includes the official continuation of the Prime timeline and establishes what happened to Spock and Romulus after Nemesis. There is nothing "Infinities" about it. SW isn't Trek and doesn't dump its characters into parallel universes - but if it did, and that was the canon story of what happened to those characters, it wouldn't be "Infinities".

    Congratulations - you've discovered the RLM of Star Trek. Have fun trying to figure out how a starship could get from the ground into space and pining away for the Reset Button universe.
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  13. Ulicus A Moderate Guy (Literature)

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    I'm being completely and utterly serious when I say I want an animated Disney musical based on the OT more than anything else in the entire world.

    It would be glorious.
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  14. CT-867-5309 Force Ghost

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    We should get Kyle to play Chuck Norris in the next Expendables movie.
  15. Darth_Foo Jedi Master

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    From the Dark Empire '95 collection's Forward by Kevin J Anderson :

    "When you read Dark Empire , or any of the other novels, remember that although Lucasfilm has approved them, these are our sequels, not George Lucas'. If Lucasfilm ever makes films that take place after Return of the Jedi, they will be George Lucas' own creations, probably with no connection to anything we have written."

    Ignored the Prophesy, we have! :_|
  16. TrakNar Jedi Grand Master

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    And we'll continue to ignore it. Welcome to De Nile.
  17. Havac Some Guy Who Moderates Lit

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    For the record, that is not a Shell Hutt. It is a regular Hutt in battle armor. Shell Hutts live in floating tubes, like repulsorlift snails. Both these things are neato, though.
  18. TrakNar Jedi Grand Master

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    Some day, I'll need to get around to drawing a full image of a Shell Hutt. The closest thing we have are the partial shots cowering behind the ever-awesome D'harhan.
  19. GrandAdmiralJello Emperor: Community & Lit

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    Yeah, the Purists loved throwing that line and similar things at us back in the day. But we won the canon wars... but the forces of darkness have waged a guerilla war ever since, a clone war.

    And now they have revealed their champion. They've played their hand and made their final move.
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  20. CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus

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    Their champion:

    [IMG]

    :-B

    I'm just gonna leave that there.
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  21. blackmyron Jedi Grand Master

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    Considering this comes from the guy who tries to pass off his Dune novels as being based on the notes of Frank Herbert, I really can't say I take KJA as the voice of reason when it comes to canon.
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  22. Gorefiend Jedi Grand Master

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    All it is, is a not that well thought out „What if?” story they happen to be trying to build a new movie franchise around. It pretty much is what the SW infinites comic did, but those at least were honest about not taking the thing serious. ;)


    Oh in that regard I gave up on Star Trek making any sense or being particularly good long ago with the launch Voyager, the thing is the Star Trek movie just has a lot of plot holes and plain stupid stuff, even if you are not looking for nitpicky reasons like Ex Astris sometimes does.
  23. Arawn_Fenn Force Ghost

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    It is not a "What If" story. It is a "This is what officially happened in canon" story. You haven't demonstrated that it was in any way "not well thought out", unless you mean that they should have thought about your feelings before they disappointed you.

    It's not an "Infinities" story. It is the official continuation of the canon and describes what happens post-2379 in the Prime universe. Since it is as canonical as any other film or series in the franchise there is no reason for it not to have been taken seriously. SW Infinities comics are not stories featuring the canonical exploits of characters from the SW canon timeline who are transported into a parallel universe.

    It doesn't have any more "plot holes" than the average film. Most if not all of the typical complaints against it are complete nonsense ( Kirk's mother is "in the wrong place"; ENT said that Vulcan sometimes has blue skies but we don't care about ENT when it contradicts us; a different stardate system in 2387 must mean the stardate system was already different in 2233; give us back our magic reset button because it's morally wrong to not use a magic reset button; etc ).
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  24. CaptainPeabody Jedi Master

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    I am a life-long Star Trek fan. I liked the new Star Trek film. Nevertheless, it did indeed contain, indubitably, large plot holes and continuity errors. I would advise you not to challenge me on that, or I shall be forced to deploy my vast array of trivial knowledge against you.
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  25. Arawn_Fenn Force Ghost

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    Such as?

    ( No, really, the use of "indubitably" was totally convincing )