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Discussion Diversity in the Sequel Trilogy (see warning on page 11)

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Sequel Trilogy (Released Films)' started by Rickleo123, Nov 29, 2016.

  1. Miriedis

    Miriedis Jedi Master star 2

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    Kathleen Kennedy KIIIIND of has a problem with that. Apparently, she wanted Bel Powley for Rose, and Rian Johnson had to intervene to get a non-white actress into the role (he originally wanted Gina Rodriguez). Also, Emilia Clarke was pretty much the only white woman on the shortlist for Qi'ra, while MANY other, oftentimes stronger actresses of color were passed over, such as Tessa Thompson, Zoe Kravitz, and Jessica Henwick.
     
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  2. oncafar

    oncafar Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Or just the white brunettes... Seriously...
     
  3. 3sm1r

    3sm1r Jedi Knight star 3

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    Wait, don't forget that Maz is portrayed by a black woman!
     
  4. Miriedis

    Miriedis Jedi Master star 2

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    Yeah, but she's CGI. Not her natural self. Michael K. Williams was going to be a half-human, half-alien in Solo, but had to back out because his scheduling conflicts wouldn't allow him to do Solo reshoots. Then, Paul Bettany replaced Michael K. Williams, and suddenly, the character was now fully human the moment a white man got the position. So there's not just Lucasfilm issues with Kathleen Kennedy's "white, British, brunette" self-insert problem. There also seems to be an issue with putting big-name nonwhite actors and actresses under makeup/CGI, but allowing the big-name white folks to stay human.
     
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  5. 3sm1r

    3sm1r Jedi Knight star 3

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    Oh, you took me seriously.
    Sorry, my fault. :(
     
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  6. Miriedis

    Miriedis Jedi Master star 2

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    I've heard enough **** on this thread to the point where my sarcasm meter has finally broken. It's gone. That's what the bigots have done to me. I am completely literal. Goodbye, sweet metaphor and simile, dearest sarcasm and allegory!
     
  7. Joystick Chevron

    Joystick Chevron Jedi Padawan star 1

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    Oh but they skipped past all the much more talented actors and cast monotone Emilia Clarke just because she was the best actor for the job, of course.
     
  8. RandomGreyJ

    RandomGreyJ Jedi Master star 4

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    I'm thinking about all the white dudes who are celebrating now that Rian AND the writers of GoT are getting SW trilogies...
     
  9. Joystick Chevron

    Joystick Chevron Jedi Padawan star 1

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    They're finally getting their shot in Hollywood, after all these years.
     
  10. TheLastHaterOfZero

    TheLastHaterOfZero Jedi Padawan star 1

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    God in Heaven D=, they're bringing in the Game of Thrones dudes to make a new trilogy. Last I heard of these guys they were planning on making a Confederate alt-history series; terrified of how that would turn out considering how GoT operates regarding diversity. Ugh, everyday Episode IX looks as if it'll be my last Star Wars movie as part of the fandom, though I would LOVE to be wrong.
     
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  11. Jozgar

    Jozgar Jedi Knight star 3

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    What a wonderfully mean-spirited and completely unnecessary comment. Is there something wrong with being happy about talented storytellers like Benioff and Johnson getting to write Star Wars stories? Because you seem to imply that there’s some racial element to the reaction to this announcement, which is utter nonsense.
     
  12. RandomGreyJ

    RandomGreyJ Jedi Master star 4

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    There's just a weird pattern with all these "talented storytellers." And Johnson, if you ask me, is a little bit overrated if his movie has that many >blatant< plot holes, inconsistencies and mischaracterizations. Then again, when all he does is blow off criticism it's easy to make himself look flawless or misunderstood.

    As for the other two, I'm not a fan of their "Confederate" story that they wanted, nor am I a fan of how GoT treats certain characters, especially when it comes to diversity, and it's inconsistencies with women. And quite frankly, shock factor is something that's now a big concern with me when it comes to Star Wars.

    And let's dispel with this fiction that if a POC or Woman had control over a SW series, there wouldn't be an abundance of race/gender cards pulled. It goes both ways.
     
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  13. Jozgar

    Jozgar Jedi Knight star 3

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    No, not really. And yes, I know you want to insinuate that women and POC are being deprived of opportunities to make Star Wars movies, but there’s absolutely no direct evidence of that.

    It seems you assume that every time a white, male creator has their project approved, you assume that there must be a woman or POC creator being deprived. Sorry, but that’s not how it works. Maybe if Jordan Peele or Katheryn Bigelow were turned down in favor of a white man, we could at least have this debate, but you have absolutely no evidence of that, so I suggest you stop.

    Suit yourself. I think TLJ is the best Star Wars movie since Empire. That said, quality is subjective, of course.

    Oh, excuse him for not engaging in intense debate with the faceless, decrepit mass of the Internet fanboys. Actually, he has responded to several criticisms and offered his own thoughts, but I don’t blame him for mostly ignoring the trolls.

    The fact that there were a crap-ton of people who instantly claimed this show was racist (despite knowing nothing but the premise of a Confederate victory in the American Civil War), indicates how overly sensitive and knee-jerk our society has become on this issue. The Man in the High Castle featured a similar premise (an alt-history where the racists won) with no such reaction.

    The are definitely problems with the portrayal of women in GOT. I won’t get into that because the blogosphere has pretty thoroughly dissected every detail of that topic.

    However, this I can’t quite let slide. Complaints that a show largely set in a fantasy counterpart of medieval Europe is lacking in the “racial diversity” department are flat out absurd.

    This debate is so tiring. I still have no idea why you chose to make a snide comment about “white dudes” being happy that D&D got signed on. You had to have known that such a comment was a provocation.
     
  14. Jedi Jessy

    Jedi Jessy Force Ghost star 5

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  15. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Nightsister of Four Realms star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Comments about Johnson remind me of comments about Lucas regarding the PT—that people who dislike TLJ “just don’t understand his art.”

    As far as the reaction to Confederate vs the reaction to Man in the High Castle: Man in the High Castle was already a book, and thankfully the show does not seem to whitewash or glorify a World War II victory for the Axis Powers, quite the opposite in fact. There have already been films and books which glorify the old South (Gone With the Wind) as well as a segment of society which views the Confederate flag as “heritage not hate” and believes that Confederate generals should be “honored.” So there is plenty of reason to be concerned that the show would not portray the horror, particularly for African Americans, which would result from a Confederate victory.
     
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  16. NHB0M

    NHB0M Jedi Knight star 4

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    From Variety:
    Star Wars’: 96% of Its Film Universe Writers and Directors Are White Men
     
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  17. DarthPhilosopher

    DarthPhilosopher Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    To be fair the Head of the Story Group is a woman of colour and the Head of Lucasfilm is a female.

    The finger needs to be pointed towards the investors of independent filmmakers who don't allow diversity to get to the point where they can be selected.
     
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  18. NHB0M

    NHB0M Jedi Knight star 4

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    It's pointed out in the article:

     
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  19. DarthPhilosopher

    DarthPhilosopher Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Oh certainly I agree, there should be more diversity on the creative side, no doubt. But given the nature of the pitching process, you can't ask them to hire based upon ethnicity - maybe they didn't pitch the story they wanted to tell. This is solved by opening up the pool to more diversity, which is the issue of investors of first timers. That's how we get diversity.
     
  20. Pro Scoundrel

    Pro Scoundrel New Films Lawgiver & Casual Flyer star 5 Staff Member Manager

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    This I disagree with. Diverse casting still matters. This tweet is short sighted. Rome wasn't built in a day. Diverse casting is just the beginning. That's why it's called progress.
     
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  21. oncafar

    oncafar Jedi Grand Master star 5

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  22. Thrawn082

    Thrawn082 Force Ghost star 6

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    I remember reading somewhere, and IDK how true this is so don't quote me, that Gareth Edwards wanted a different actress to play Jyn Erso as well, but was pressured into hiring Felicity Jones instead.
     
  23. Miriedis

    Miriedis Jedi Master star 2

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    Us:
    "Hey, could we get some new Star Wars directors that are either women or people of color? That'd be great. Hey, what's Taika Waititi doing? I'm sure he'd make a great--"
    Lucasfilms: "Eeey, you guys want the showrunners from Game of Thrones? The dudes who turned a bunch of scenes that weren't rape and made them rape scenes? Or changed plotlines in order to get people raped? Or made a white woman surf on a sea of brown people? Or who tried to make some kind of alternate-universe show that would explore what happened if the Civil War ended in a stalemate? We got 'em!"

    Me:
    [​IMG]
     
  24. CEB

    CEB Force Ghost star 5

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    I mean, you can describe the game of thrones creators in those terms, or you could mention them in exclusively positive terms, too; that they’ve realised an expansive vision, created one of the most compelling TV shows ever, created some of the best villains (Male and female) and layered heroes, shown an ability to weave lore in with drama and action..

    Neither would look at the whole picture. Maybe Benioff and Weiss pitched something that simply got Lucasfilm very excited? Maybe their series of films will be directed by diverse directors?
     
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  25. Miriedis

    Miriedis Jedi Master star 2

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    I will say that they're good at adapting other peoples' source materials. A lot of the problems they have came from when they diverged from source materials in the books. Dorne, Stannis, Arya, Winterfell, the Vale...

    Also, they gave Rian Johnson his own trilogy and he didn't pitch anything to them. He didn't even really have an idea. So I don't know what D&D did to get their own stories.
     
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