Amph Django Unchained

Discussion in 'Community' started by Adam of Nuchtern, Oct 12, 2012.

  1. Jabbadabbado Manager Emeritus

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    It's personal taste I admit. Seeing Django portrayed as a man willing to sink to any depth to be reunited with his wife made me lose interest in him.
  2. GGrievous Jedi Grand Master

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    I had the exact same issue with the movie.

    After
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    King's death and the gun fight
    , the film did slow down a bit and dragged on. I liked Foxx and Jackson's scene in that barn, which included some good acting by Jackson, but Quentin could've summed up the ending/tightened it up a bit.

    I still like Basterds and Pulp Fiction better, sadly. :p
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  3. AAAAAH Jedi Knight

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    me too. though i've seen plup fictions too many times to really enjoy it anymore. i think my favorite tarantino is still jackie brown.
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  4. Havac Former Moderator

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    I think you're drawing a distinction here that doesn't exist, though. Django and Schultz are partners; Schultz isn't just an unrelated third party. If Schultz acts out of character, here behind enemy lines, it impacts Django. It impacts his life. It impacts his ability to free his wife. If Candie smells something wrong with them, they could get killed. They could be refused the opportunity to free Broomhilda. He undercuts Schultz's offer because it is likely to get them in trouble, and there's no guarantee it would even work. Candie might prefer to get his money's worth out of the dogs. It's unlikely that they can both save this guy and save Broomhilda. Django doesn't want to run that risk. Schultz has drilled into him the importance of staying in character. Now he sees Schultz breaking character, so he pulls Schultz back. How is that different from the "opportunity to intervene but doesn't wish to blow his cover" scenario you've outlined? Django and Schultz are a team. They have an opportunity to intervene, but don't want to blow their cover. One of them almost blows their cover, and the other, the one with more at stake if their cover is blown, stops him from doing so. Does the presence of some small level of activity, rather than pure passivity, in his refusal to blow his cover, really create a wholly new moral calculus? I really don't think so. "If they'd just not helped, that would be one thing, but affirmatively saying they weren't going to help, whoah! Movie-ruining immorality!" It seems a weird hair to split.
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  5. tom Force Ghost

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    i just saw this movie and thought it was great.
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  6. Armenian_Jedi Jedi Master

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    Jabbadabbado, skip to around 6 minutes in to see Jamie Foxx's take on that scene. If you're still interested in this at all.
  7. Full Spectrum Dominator Jedi Youngling

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    I don't think Django was ever intended to be a heroic character. He saw himself as a black ubermensch. He did say he is one in 10000. Even Candy saw him as a black ubermensch, he only lost respect for him when he realised he was coming for his girl. He revealed his weakness, thats why Candy called him an unimpressive n####. The only person other than his wife Dajngo seemed to respect was Schultz. i almost expected him to kill the the slaves on the cart at the end. He had no problem killing women...
  8. Obi-Zahn Kenobi Jedi Grand Master

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    What's wrong with having no problem killing women? Miss Candie was complicit in the horrors that M. Candie was enacting upon his slaves. She also was the one who suggested that they castrate Django. Why did she not deserve to be punished for her behavior and endorsement of behaviors like her brother?

    Having a uterus doesn't make your life magically anymore valuable.
  9. Rogue1-and-a-half Manager Emeritus who is writing his masterpiece

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    Also, I can't think of a single reason he would kill the slaves on the cart. What would the logic there be?
  10. Jabbadabbado Manager Emeritus

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    Honestly, I don't really see much of a connection between what Foxx describes as his process (how he worked through the scene as an actor) and how the scene is written and what ends up on screen. Artistic intent is largely irrelevant to how moviegoers experience a scene. In other words, what you see is what you get. Sometimes knowing what the artist was up to makes it worse, since it often becomes clear that they executed their "intent" poorly or ineffectively or just wrong.

    I think the movie gets less and less interesting if the artist is insisting on portraying a protagonist who is nothing more than a degraded, violent, dehumanized product of a terrible environment. That's the point? Awful point, and boring to boot.
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  11. TiniTinyTony Jedi Grand Master

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    I really enjoyed it. Christoph Waltz was fantastic. I'm happy to report that the movie did not feel like 2 hours and 45 minutes.
  12. DantheJedi Jedi Master

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  13. Darth-Lando Jedi Grand Master

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    *sigh* The ultra-PC crowd get's it all wrong yet again. :rolleyes: