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ST Do the films portray the New Republic negatively?

Discussion in 'Sequel Trilogy' started by Mandalore the Ascendent, Feb 21, 2018.

  1. ImpreciseStormtrooper

    ImpreciseStormtrooper Jedi Master star 3

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    Nope.

    The Disarmament Act was drafted shortly after the Battle of Endor (while the war raged) and passed days after the Battle of Jakku.

    It was actually an act of diplomacy to secure peace.

    The NR said, hey we'll disarm. Shall we stop shooting each other.

    And Impetial forces went. Sure. And many of them immediately began reorganising into the FO.

    So yes. It absolutely was during an armistice petiod as the act was enacted while both sides were still negotiating peace.
     
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  2. DarthPhilosopher

    DarthPhilosopher Chosen One star 6

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    That's simply not what happened.
     
  3. ImpreciseStormtrooper

    ImpreciseStormtrooper Jedi Master star 3

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    It's actually canon. Go check it out.

    It is also canon that the Empire rather than fully disarming as agreed went on to reorgsnise into the FO.

    Further, it is also canon that Leia's Resistance was actually a resisatance to disarmament and she refused to stop figjting the FO forces.

    Basically if Leia thinks the NR was wrong this paints it in a bad light in my opinion.
     
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  4. DarthPhilosopher

    DarthPhilosopher Chosen One star 6

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    Okay, so that's not canon. The Empire was dissolved with the Concordance, and the remaining Remnants were bound by the treaty and the disarmament. The remnants withered away and disappeared. The galaxy was then at peace until the First Order emerged from the Unknown Regions shortly before TFA when a small number of Republic systems seceded to join.
     
  5. ImpreciseStormtrooper

    ImpreciseStormtrooper Jedi Master star 3

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    It is canon that not all the remnants obeyed the treaty and that they later became the FO.

    Either way the NR's stewardship was negligent.
     
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  6. DarthPhilosopher

    DarthPhilosopher Chosen One star 6

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    No the remnants did not become the First Order. In Bloodline there is no First Order and apparently no remnants. The First Order was a hidden remnant in the Unknown Regions.
     
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  7. ImpreciseStormtrooper

    ImpreciseStormtrooper Jedi Master star 3

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    The First Order rose from the former Galactic Empire and Empire remnants post war.

    You're just being semantic.

    The Imperial "Remnants" never referred to themselves as Remnants. But that's exactly what they were. A bunch of Warlords and Empire Allies that were never totally conquered, but simply entered a peace treaty to end the conflict.

    Many still saw themselves as the True Empire. The First Order rose from a disparate group of former Imperials, and regions the Alliance ceded to the so-called Remnants and the Unknown Regions where they had no power base at all.

    Of course there was no First Order back then. They still saw themselves as the Empire. The First Order was a military Junta which took control over the decades and firmed a power base to launch its attack.

    Bloodline is irrelevant.

    And again, back on the topic of this thread, the NR allowed all this to happen on its watch. I have heard no argument in their defence other than they were ignorant of the danger, which is simply evidence of incompetence.

    Leia was right. Disarmament was a disaster.
     
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  8. Gobi-1

    Gobi-1 Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    If you only go by the information presented in the films we learn almost nothing about the New Republic except that it supported the Resistance and that it's capitol and fleet were destroyed. We also learn very little about the First Order, only that it rose up from the ashes of the Empire and wants to the over he galaxy. We don't know where they came from or how big they are. Rey mentions that The First Order will control all the major systems in a matter of weeks. Is it because the FO is so large militarily or is it because the Republic has been decimated and has no army to defend themselves? The FO is able to walk in and take it.

    If it wasn't for the visual guides and books I would be extremely frustrated with the lack of context for the conflict between the FO and the Resistance.

    It wouldn't have taken much to clear up. A couple of lines of dialogue here and there. Han could have easily explained things to Rey who, because she was on Jakku, isn't completely aware of what's been happening. Finn could have chimed in about how the FO was far larger and more dangerous than anyone realized. It would have raised the stakes before the FO destroyed Hosnian Prime.

    I hope Episode IX would give a clearing picture of what has happened in the galaxy but since there is probably going to be a time jump the situation will probably have changed once again.
     
  9. QuangoFett

    QuangoFett Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    The answer to the thread title is: "Yes. To the extent that they portray the NR at all, the portrayal is extremely negative."

    So the FO is a completely foreign power, without any prior diplomatic relations with the NR?

    Why exactly would the NR have any expectation that the FO would abide by the Concordance, in that case?

    Come to think of it, why would NR member states secede from a democratic federation just to annex themselves to an absolute monarchy which doesn't even have legitimate claim to Galactic rule by the standards of absolute monarchies?

    Are these all just contrivances that were made because the films' writers couldn't be bothered to think about the story they were writing?
     
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