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Clone Wars Do you enjoy how Maul is being used/portrayed in TCW?

Discussion in 'Star Wars TV' started by StarWarsFan91, Sep 10, 2012.


Do you enjoy how Maul is being used/portrayed in TCW?

  1. yes

    22 vote(s)
  2. no

    17 vote(s)
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  1. StarWarsFan91

    StarWarsFan91 Jedi Master star 4

    Oct 14, 2008
    Now im sure we can all agree here that bringing back Maul was a horrible decision and should have never been done. But though this is true, did you enjoy how the TCW writers have been using Maul in TCW (you can hate the fact that Maul is back, but still enjoy his storyline/scenes in TCW)? Or do you dislike his appearances in TCW? Or is it all simply "meh" to you?

    What do you think of his voice actor? Was the man named Crashdown a good choice to voice Maul? Or should it have been someone else?
  2. Deputy Rick Grimes

    Deputy Rick Grimes Jedi Grand Master star 6

    Sep 3, 2012
    Yes i am enjoying how Maul is being portrayed in TCW
  3. Mia Mesharad

    Mia Mesharad Jedi Master star 4

    Sep 2, 2012
    I'll preface this by saying I would've been perfectly happy with Maul not returning during the Clone Wars.

    But since he is back, I've honestly been enjoying him. First of all, I think Sam Witwer does a fantastic job as Maul, and that may be a large part of why I enjoy him. He does a remarkably good job of capturing the essence of Maul's voice, better than even James Arnold Taylor's Obi-Wan, in my opinion. His range is excellent, capable of moving Maul from savage insanity, to lost apprentice, to re-affirmed Sith Lord without ever feeling as though he's stepped over a line.

    As for Maul himself, I was a big fan of the comic Old Wounds, where the idea of Maul returning as a cyborg and seeking revenge on Obi-Wan first originated. When I found out that it had been labelled non-canon, I was very disappointed, and despite it's faults, it's nice to see some manner of that salvaged with The Clone Wars. As I said on the Temp Boards, I have no problem with Maul's actual return. Sith Lords of all kinds have found ways to postpone, stop, or even reverse death in numerous sources and in numerous ways. Maul is practically par for the course when it comes to Star Wars' Sith. And while I find some of the story choices...odd, let's say, such as using him in conjunction with the previously separate Mandalorian plot, I withhold judgement until I see the arc to conclusion. I don't expect him to have an enormous impact on the universe around him because he's obviously not around by the time Revenge of the Sith comes along, but what they are using him for is far more intriguing than annoying.

    So, long story short, I am enjoying how Maul's being used and portrayed.
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  4. TaradosGon

    TaradosGon Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

    Feb 28, 2003
    I don't mind Maul's portrayal so far as his behavior or anything like that. It's just the fact that he's back to begin with that bothers me and the manner in which they tried to rationalize his survival. Those flaws (IMO) are enough to really sour my opinion of the character no matter how well they manage to represent him beyond that point.
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  5. SithStarSlayer

    SithStarSlayer Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

    Oct 23, 2003
    So far, Sam has been spot-on with Maul's voice... and I'm looking forward to Season Five disproving count Dooku's ego-centric thoughts about Maul being nothing more than just a skilled animal. Knowing in advance that it is
    who must finish the deal, makes it even better.
  6. Dan_Grievous_Tikkes_Fan

    Dan_Grievous_Tikkes_Fan Jedi Master star 4

    Sep 3, 2012
    Sam Witwer does a great job with what he is given but I miss the days when Maul was a silent assassin and not a long-winded hasbeen full of hot air.
  7. LordMortis315

    LordMortis315 Jedi Knight star 4

    Sep 2, 2012
    I'm liking that he's given more development and a personality other than a silent, one-dimensional tool like in TPM. And Sam Witwer rocks as him. ;)

    Not all; there are always exceptions.
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  8. Dark Lord Tarkas

    Dark Lord Tarkas Jedi Master star 5

    Apr 29, 2011
    Well said, agreed 100%.
  9. Convor

    Convor Jedi Knight star 2

    Feb 25, 2011
    Holy sweeping generalization batman!

    As I've said in other threads I've basically made my peace with with Maul's return, and despite how abysmal Revenge was, season five seems poised to take all sorts of interesting storytelling directions. For the first time I'm actually interested in what's going on on Mandalore. And I think Witwer did a great job with his VA.
  10. MercenaryAce

    MercenaryAce Jedi Grand Master star 5

    Aug 10, 2005

    Plus, I have to admit, bringing together a bunch of fringe factions into an army is pretty intriguing. It would be cool if they ever made a strategy game with a Maul playable faction, or maybe have them as payable in the next battlefront game.
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  11. Todd the Jedi

    Todd the Jedi Mod and Soliloquist of SWTV star 6 Staff Member Manager

    Oct 16, 2008
    Can I vote "meh"? I'm pretty much on the middle ground in terms of my enjoyment of the character.

    I'll say this: I think he'll be used way better in S5 than he was in S4.
    Mostly in that Sidious will teach him how pathetic he (and by extension the Talzin Nightsisters) really is. :D
  12. Drewton

    Drewton Jedi Grand Master star 4

    Jan 8, 2009
    Not only was bringing back Maul bad and unnecessary, they're doing him completely wrong.

    SSS, I blame the "Darth Maul should never have died" topic. ;)



  13. Darth_Zandalor

    Darth_Zandalor Jedi Master star 4

    Aug 2, 2009
    Absolutely not. It is an absolute mess that utterly cheapens the entire point of Randy, puts me in contact with Witwer's castrated screaming again, and it is poised to destroy the one original idea this show had with the mandalorians.
  14. Dark Lord Tarkas

    Dark Lord Tarkas Jedi Master star 5

    Apr 29, 2011
    This part I totally agree with. At the time I assumed Darth Maul wouldn't be coming back because I couldn't conceive a reason for having both Savage Opress and him in the story. By reading various interviews from this year's editions of SW Insider I've gleaned that basically GL did Opress first to see how it would go and based on liking the outcome decided to go ahead and bring Darth Maul back too. That's about the million and first thing GL didn't execute as well as he could have and should have because he didn't have a larger story structured before finishing the first part and was content to use filler. Par for the course but still unfortunate. I think he should have gone either/or.
  15. Todd the Jedi

    Todd the Jedi Mod and Soliloquist of SWTV star 6 Staff Member Manager

    Oct 16, 2008
    Well, at least we'll be back to only one by the end of the season.
    But yeah, Maul's return makes Savage really redundant. Now, if Savage had not been Maul's brother, or even a Zabrak, then we could have had some other dark character going after Maul, yet serving the same role as Savage.
  16. Inblackestnight

    Inblackestnight Jedi Padawan star 1

    Jan 26, 2012
    Temporarily overlooking the terrible idea of brining Maul back, I still don't think his character is the same as it was when TPM debuted. Maul was Sidious's lackey and there was no Mother Talzin; the good old days...
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  17. TaradosGon

    TaradosGon Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

    Feb 28, 2003
    I kind of figured the Maul/Oppress thing would be like Yoda/Luke, only the dark side of it.

    For instance Savage finds Maul in exile on some planet; Maul agrees to teach Oppress; we get more insight into his training and how he is becoming more powerful; then Savage kills Maul. I especially never would have thought that Sidious or Obi-Wan would ever have learned of Maul's survival, given that I think it throws a wrench into what Palpatine tells Anakin about Plagueis.

    Anakin should seemingly know that Maul was cut in half by Obi-Wan, and should know that Maul survived being cut in half and falling into a pit. So when Palpatine starts talking about only one knowing how to cheat death, it seems like Maul is a blatant contradiction... Unless Anakin thinks that they are talking about Maul... which then makes the tale of Plagueis a random thing to mention.

    I was starting to believe fan theories that Savage might just find a holocron and learn from Maul that way, or that if Maul did survive that Plagueis would tie into it someway (the bit of Maul on the back cover of Plagueis made me so convinced that that was going to happen). But in the end it's just some unconscious "trance" that keeps him alive by turning him into a garbage-spider-abomination and makes him insane, just for Talzin to cure him in two seconds with uber-magic. And more on that point, if magic was going to be the excuse for giving him legs, might as well just have given him his legs back, rather than creating mechanical legs... though magically. But then Maul goes on to assert his dominance over Oppress who seemed like he had potential for his own interesting story in its own right, only to be overshadowed by "brother" and made redundant.

    I agree with those that think Witwer does a good Maul. I have nothing against the character in that regard. I just think that how his re-emergence has been brought about is too messy for me to ignore.

    I've heard a couple mention rumors that S5 will offer more insight into his survival. And so I hope it becomes something more than "I wanted to survive so badly, and so that the Dark Side turned me into a spider and saved my life."
  18. godisawesome

    godisawesome Jedi Master star 4

    Dec 14, 2010
    I really like Sam Witwer's voice acting and I love the way he's animated. The way they close up on his face during his "every cut" speech to Obi-Wan makes it clear they spent a lot of time trying to capture Ray Park's facial features while imbuing them with genuine seeming emotions. And while some of his return story isn't that good, I'm a fan of Jason Todd in the DCU-who was brought back to life by a reality warping punch. Maul scraping by and going insane makes sense to me, as it could be much worse.

    Also, Maul's return and the execution of his storyline was good enough to get me much more invested in this season of Clone Wars. I only started watching the show when Death Watch showed up back in Season 2, and having a potential wild card thrown in with Maul's appearance helps spice the story up in my opinion. The fact that he and the Death Watch are going to be interacting, thus bringing two of Kenobi's biggest antagonists together for a few stories, just makes me smile. Fanservice? What's that? Combining Darth Maul and Death Watch, that's what..
  19. Sable_Hart

    Sable_Hart Jedi Master star 4

    Nov 28, 2009
    Contrary to what I'm sure Lucas wants us to believe, it's patently obvious that this decision was an ass pull of epic proportions. That said, they've done well with fleshing Maul out so to speak-- Witwer is, as many have said, superb as a voice and guiding figure (his dedication to Star Wars lore is commendable). I enjoy the explanation offered (that a miasma of dark side energy kept him alive through sheer hate) as it lends credibility to the whole Plagueis-immortality/"unnatural" dark side powers plotline from ROTS.

    My only real complaint is that it seems an opportunity or two was missed with the character (a fight with Dooku) and I'm uneasy about the spoilers I've heard from "Revival" regarding his rematch with Obi-Wan.
  20. Drewton

    Drewton Jedi Grand Master star 4

    Jan 8, 2009
    This is one of the times when I hope poll results weren't anonymous.
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  21. Dark Lord Tarkas

    Dark Lord Tarkas Jedi Master star 5

    Apr 29, 2011
    The fact that Darth Maul was as flat as a character can possibly be in TPM is one of the reasons I'm enjoying his "resurrection" even though it wouldn't have been my preference. He's already got infinite times the character he did in that movie alone, and he's only been in one and a third episodes so far.
  22. Humble_Jedi

    Humble_Jedi Jedi Master star 4

    Oct 14, 2004
    You say 'flat', I say 'mysterious'.

    Ever since he started opening his mouth in TCW he sounds like a total moron. Not to mention that he looks like a ****ing clown.
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  23. Dark Lord Tarkas

    Dark Lord Tarkas Jedi Master star 5

    Apr 29, 2011
    Even when TPM first came out and I was 10 years old I thought it was stupid that they had this awesome looking character and didn't try to develop him at all. It seemed lazy and wasteful, not mysterious. I think it's about damn time they're finally getting on top of that. It makes TPM better in a "this guy has no idea what's about to happen to him" way, in addition to expanding on Sith lore in general which to me is always good.

    I always thought he looked cool and honestly don't think his legs change his overall look all that much, especially since it seems from S5 trailers he'll be wearing pants, he'll look exactly the same.
  24. Robimus

    Robimus Jedi Grand Master star 5

    Jul 6, 2007
    Honestly they might as well brought time back via time travel. That would have made more sense than what we got.
  25. GGrievous

    GGrievous Jedi Grand Master star 5

    Nov 6, 2005
    Witwer still sounds like a whinny Starkiller.
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