Saga Do you hope Tatooine is made a dangerous place?.

When ever you hear a character speak of Tatooine and it's spaceports, it's always about how dangerous they are, but when we actually see it, the biggest complaint we always hear is always about how hot and boring it is. TPM gave us a glimpse with slavery, but past that it was an ok place. I remember reading the Nobot wiki article, about how he possibly witnessed the brutal murder of a woman......or even did it himself. I know there's a rating system when it comes to movies, but when ever we've seen Tatooine on film, to me it's always been a, "meh......I wouldn't mind a week there just to say I've been" .

 

well in Episode 4 when Obi-Wan says "Mos Eisley spaceport..You'll never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy" , he must know this firsthand as he's been on Tatooine for 20 years..... and we see what happens in the bar all in just the ten minute scene we're given, a few thugs try and rough up Luke and Obi-Wan cuts off the thug's hand and then moments later a brutal murder takes place when Han blasts Greedo... If both of those things happened just in a matter of moments, there's no telling what else goes on there that we never see.

 

I don't know which is worse but I'd rather live on Tatooine then say Dagobah.

 

The truth is, we've only seen actual cities on Tatooine twice, and both times included folks being roughed up and/or killed. Qui Gon mentioned how it was ruled by the Hutts, although that may have changed a bit once the Empire took over. As far as I'm concerned, any place ruled by gangsters is not a nice place. And that's not even mentioning the Sand People massacring farmers and kidnapping their wives.

 

Was it too coarse???

 

sbk1234 wrote

The truth is, we've only seen actual cities on Tatooine twice, and both times included folks being roughed up and/or killed. Qui Gon mentioned how it was ruled by the Hutts, although that may have changed a bit once the Empire took over. As far as I'm concerned, any place ruled by gangsters is not a nice place. And that's not even mentioning the Sand People massacring farmers and kidnapping their wives.

The ANH novelization features the (extended) deleted scene between Vader and Commander Number One ("Chief Bast") in the Death star corridors.

Vader said "Send in more men if you have to. Never mind the protests of the planetary governor - I must have those droids." The sheer presence of sandtroopers at checkpoints to the space harbor section and the street patrols apparently suggest that Mos Eisley, by the time of ANH is under Imperial control (though not necessarily an efficient one).

I think Tatooine is an analogy to both the outer provinces of the Roman Empire (e.g. Gladiator) as well as the Frontier of the USA in the 19th Century.

 

Well, 3 times technically, if you count Anakin and Padme's brief visit to Watto in AOTC.

 

Maybe the "planetary governor" is actually Jabba himself? Certainly in the early Darth Vader comics, Vader seems to deal with Jabba as a major power in the Outer Rim, like in TCW.

I could see these sandtroopers actually having been dropped from the Devastator, and possibly the two other Star Destroyers seen in orbit in ANH - maybe being ordinary stormtroopers that have been given bonus "sand-kit" for this specific duty.

 

Iron_lord

That's an interesting theory.

On the other hand we have Luke's "I can't get involved! I've got work to do! It's not that I like the Empire. I hate it!

This suggests he had dealings with Imperials before, probably dealing with bureaucrats that gave him a hard time with registries for his and the family's landspeeder, his skyhopper or else.

And then there is Fixer's statement from the Anchorhead scenes:

FIXER I keep telling you, the Rebellion is
a long way from here. I doubt if the
Empire would even fight to keep this
system. Believe me Luke, this planet
is a big hunk of nothing...

So Lucas established Imperial posession and presence on Tatooine for ANH.

 

We'll have to wait and see just how much of that gets reestablished.

 

TPTB can surely retcon, revise and rewrite ANH to their heart's content ("The ANH 1984 Special Edition") and alter the context, but I hope they also come up with a good explanation, then, why Luke could possibly hate the Empire if he never had any dealings with it.

Or have "Empire" replaced with "Hutts", "Sandpeople" etc.

 

He's been listening to what his friends, like Biggs, have to say about it.


Apparently that conversation with Biggs was recanonized:

http://www.starwars.com/databank/biggs-darklighter

 

Starwars.com: "Biggs Darklighter grew up on Tatooine with Luke Skywalker, and shared his friend's dreams of escaping the dull desert world. After graduating from the Imperial Academy, he defected from the Empire's service to join the Rebellion. He and Luke were reunited at Yavin 4's Rebel base, and flew together against the Death Star. Luke returned from that mission as a hero, but Biggs did not survive."

BIGGS I made some friends at the Academy.
(he whispers)
...when our frigate goes to one of
the central systems, we're going to
jump ship and join the Alliance...

Assuming the Rand Ecliptic was an Imperial merchant ship he defected when he jumped ship and joined the rebellion (that was his plan he told Luke).

So I'm not sure where that conversation had been "re-canonized"?

 

A Kenobi movie set on Tatooine is what we need. Mad Max style with Tusken Raiders, Jawas, Banthas, Krayt Dragons, Anchorhead, Tosche Station, Maul, Qui-Gon's ghost, Hutts, Toydarians, smugglers and pirates, etc. Very dangerous!!

 

True, Darskpine10! I forgot about that. Still it was only one little scene, so we really didn't see much.

 

In the biography gallery.

 

It already is isnt it?

 

I think the general rule now is -

"only what's in the movies counts - not deleted scenes, radio plays, old novelizations, etc, until some newcanon source uses the relevant scene"

 

I know, the movies are what I was referring to

 

Biggs's conversation with Luke on Tatooine doesn't appear in the movie though - not even the Special Edition.

That's an example of a "deleted scene that has been recanonized".

 

I was answering the thread question of - do you hope it will get dangerous. I think the Tuskens make it plenty dangerous already

 

Ah, right.

Another hazard - Sarlaccs. In the EU, there's lots of small Sarlaccs buried under the sand - and you only know they're there when a pit suddenly collapses under you.

 

In TPM, Qui-gon and Panaka discuss Tatooine as being controlled by the Hutts who would do worse things than the Federation if they were found out. The planet as a whole is not referred to as a dangerous place. Just that walking out into a sandstorm is and that comes from Anakin. In ANH, as noted, Obi-wan only talks about Mos Eisley being a place filled with lowlifes and scumbags, which was to set up the Cantina sequence. Tatooine itself is no more or less dangerous than Coruscant, Jakku or Ryloth. Going to Jabba's palace and going into Tusken territory is not a wise decision. Those are the only true dangers on the planet.

 

What exactly has been "re-canonized"? Lucas explicitly stated that he did not include the Anchorhead scenes because they would have slowed down the pacing. Other than that these are still G-canon and nothing I learned or heard from Disney currently suggests that these scenes do not exist or matter any longer.

Sure, Disney can declare these as irrelevant, but they better prepare for the Sithstorm that will follow...