Discussion in 'Literature' started by Lord Sith Harloxzz, Sep 8, 2017.
No, no, you're still... holding on! Let go!
Some of us have chosen to hold on to the old Canon and acted on it.
Why is this unrealistic in-universe? If I was following correctly; you guys were speaking IN-UNIVERSE during this conversation. So why would an alien invasion be unrealistic IN-UNIVERSE? (or even out of universe?)
If anything, I'd assume any kind of enttity/group/faction/fringe on the outside looking in, at the end of ROTJ would see this as an opportunity. A chance that the galaxy would swirl into anarchy and would attempt to step into the power vaccuum. (This has been done in numerous times in our own history, just on Earth.)
Especially alien groups, that had been historically under-represented, and oppressed in recent times by the Empire. So any group that was harboring any sort of power on the fringes of the OR or UR or WS could easily use this chance to sweep in and try and set-up shop. What do they have to lose at that point anyway?
I don't think its unrealistic at all for that to happen. I also don't think its unrealistic that even DURING the Empire or the Old Republic that there would be Visigoth style 'invasions' from time to time. If nothing else than to just test the might of the current regime. Especially in a galaxy so large and so unwieldy in terms of travel, resources, and control aspects. Especially since TPM even represented to us and other books (canon) have shown us during the Empire as well, that no galactic government has 100% control over the entire universe in SW. The galaxy is far too large, and too nebulous of a thing for the Old Republic (as TPM showed us) or the Empire (various books and comics) to control all regions of it.
I also think it would be unrealistic for a total collapse of the Empire post-ROTJ. I do think the hierachy of the military leadership might get frayed, but would hold together. I think some of the OR areas and side-projects would fall apart, and I could see a few Moffs/Generals/etc turning into Warlords with their own fleets ala Roman Rulers. In both in-universe and out-of-universe it makes sense for SOME kind of Empire to be around in the ST. Though, depending on how far back the ST is (5 years post-ROTJ, 10 years post-ROTJ, 30 years post-ROTJ) I think their power and influence would wane. I think the total collapse of the Empire 1-2 years after Endor (ala new canon, with Jakkuu) and then fading into obscurity is far far less the likely scenario of what we got between the Empire post-ROTJ in Disney and post-ROTJ Empire in Bantam. Some could be chalked up for marketing/storytelling purposes, and some that we had an anomaly in the Emperor rather than a true government form. But I still find Disney's representation of post-ROTJ Empire far less likely (and far less interesting, fun, correct, etc, not sure what terminology to label it).
@Danz Borin420 If the Vong had been from the same galaxy it would have been fine. All the novels were doing at the time though was capitalizing on the then current popularity of alien invasion stories.
what difference would it make if the Vong came from the same galaxy?
If the Silentium creators were confirmed to be from the SW galaxy, it means that we attacked first
It could be the Abominor that did most of the invading, before being wiped out by the Vong, leaving only one survivor - The Great Heep.
We know that the Silentium's creators may possibly also be the Sharu's creators - given that both creator-races are supposed to be starfish-like.
They way I always understood was the Vong Galaxy was devastated by three consecutive wars.
1. Silentium vs Abominor
2. Vong war against the droid species and conquest of their Galaxy
3. Vong civil war
These wars occurred in succession to one another over a sustained period of time-hence the sheer devastation and need for the Vong to depart their own Galaxy.
At least this is my interpretation.
you realize I'm quoting Kylo Ren from the movie, discussing whether he'll revive the Sith in the new canon, and that has nothing to do with the old canon at all, right?
I think alien invasions work with the galaxy. I imagine during the transition from the Republic to the Empire UR forces would try their hand at invading the mainland. This probably forced the Empire to become friends with the Chiss to help deter far-out threats.
I honestly didn't sorry.
Care to elaborate?
Probably would have preferred the next arc after YJK to be an UR threat and then the Vong after that.
We find hints of the Yuuzhan Vong during the series and the heroes find out that the Vong were the reason that the UR threat attacked the galaxy in the first place. As a lightning rod or fleeing from their aggression.
As someone who read them when they actually came out, I thought the issues with the NJO books were
1) To Long a series with too many authors - If they had cut it in half with a select few of authors it would’ve been fine.
2) Starting off with Salvatore, not that his book was bad or he is a bad author per say but I still feel they should’ve started off with an established author like Stackpole first. He’d obviously not read much if any of the EU and it showed
3) Completely ignoring the set up from Zahn and Vision of the Future. That seemed such a waste to me even at the time VP came out
4) How they killed of Chewie - Not that they did, which was fine but dropping a moon was a bit lame
5) The Vong were essentially evil vegetable people into S an M - That could’ve used a bit more work in Jmo
Exactly what I said. The NJO was simply taking advantage of the popularity of alien invasion stories at the time. If the same series was created now they likely would have put something different in because alien invasion stories aren't popular these days.
I enjoy the new canon quite a bit, as it scratches the itch of wanting new characters, and adventures that don't shoehorn the big three into them. My main gripe with the new canon is that the old was swept away so something more cohesive and integrated could be made—but the new stories feel even more disconnected from the films they support.
I hoped against hope that Dawson's Phasma might have some bearing on her character in The Last Jedi. But no. The Phasma novel, and the Marvel comic both made made an impact, and if it truly mattered beyond being something else the Star Wars logo is slapped on (let's be real) that would have been evident in The Last Jedi. Even the damned comic referenced the novel....
What big alien invasion stories were happening October 1999 - 2004 or whenever TUF came out?
Also, if memory serves me correctly - the original pitch Del Rey made to LFL was that it would be the Sith. But they were vetoed on that and it got turned down, because Lucas said it would undermine what Vader did, and because 1999 saw TPM come out and he was going to do a lot more with the Sith in AOTC and ROTS.
Alien Invasion stories were popular within the Entertainment Industry really throughout the mid '90's and early '00's. You had the Independence Day movie come out plus the Men In Black series. Also need to remember the X-Files were pretty much at their height during that time.
They could still make a return.
Many different threats in the Unknown Regions and were to be in TCW.
What fantasy/sci-fi series hasn't had a Yuuzhan Vong-type alien invasion story at some point?
Star Trek had the Borg,
Dune had the Thinking Machines return after Frank Herbert's last book
ASOIAF/GOT have The Other's/White Walkers. Targaryen's would fall under this too. The First Men and the Andal Invasions as well.
Shannara has an outside invasion in its current book arc or the Demons escaping the Foreboding after 1000's of years.
Isaac Asimov's Foundation universe didn't.
Not versed in the LOTR universe aside from LOTR and the Hobbit. So no idea.
Wasn't there an invasion of Narnia in the Narnia series?
Not quite sure how you make such a weird claim as if invasion stories aren't still coming out; and Fate of the Jedi was itself another invasion story.
Actually, Foundation had Galaxia, which is pretty much a nicer Borg, in the end. Also, if you add in the post-Foundation trilogy (Bedford, Bear, Brin), you have the robot conquest of the whole galaxy...kind of like the good guys invading and winning...
Isn't every Sith story an invasion story as well?
TOTJ with Naga Sadow,
KOTOR, with Malak and Revan
TOR with the Sith Empire
FOTJ with the Lost Tribe,
Hmm. Good catch. I've read a lot of the stories but not in about 10 years.
Definitely SWTOR. Vong are only a problem cause they feel different.