Census Do you support Same-Sex Marriage? (ANONYMOUS poll)

Discussion in 'Community' started by Ghost, Sep 3, 2012.

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How do you feel about Same-Sex Marriage?

I fully support Same-Sex Marriage 122 vote(s) 77.7%
I don't agree with it morally/personally, but I support legalizing Same-Sex Marriage 9 vote(s) 5.7%
I support Civil Unions or Domestic Partnerships for same-sex couples, but not marriage 9 vote(s) 5.7%
I don't support any form of same-sex unions... no marriage, no civil union, no domestic partnership 17 vote(s) 10.8%
  1. harpua Chosen One

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    Mar 12, 2005
    star 8
    wtf are you talking about?
  2. Lowbacca_1977 Force Ghost

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    Jun 28, 2006
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    I would think "nature disagrees with you" should be the simpler bit.
  3. TheShinyLightsaber Jedi Padawan

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    Sep 3, 2012
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    The socialism content was not pertaining to you, but the subject of your post.

    Perhaps you are simply opposed to social control? Which would (textbook) be conservatism or socialism, even though the number of liberals (supposed economic controllers) or conservatives (supposed social controllers) actually in existence is lower than perceived because both [american name] conservatives (facists) and liberals (socialists) want to control you both economically and socially.

    As to idealism, that depends on if you believe that morals (right vs. wrong) are situational (malleable) or inherent (rigid).
  4. TheShinyLightsaber Jedi Padawan

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    I replied "Yes" to your question on if I know what socialism is, and provided an example of socialism, where one group of people attempts to control marital contracts due to differing views on the morals of human sexuality choices.
  5. Chewgumma Chosen One

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    You would think that would be an effective argument. But trying to explain that homosexuality has been studied throughout the animal kingdom can be painful when talking to someone who thinks any such studies are part of a liberal conspiracy. A reminder that someone's sex life doesn't affect anyone outside of their bedroom is a much more effective argument in my experience.
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  6. Frank T. Force Ghost

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    Sep 2, 2012
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    I see no reason not to allow it. But I do think there should be a limit to how many times an individual can get married.:p Really though, I believe there should be no advantage or disadvantage attched to marriage. It should simply be a thing for two people(maybe more) to do when they're reasonbly sure they want to spend the rest of their lives together. I only plan ahead for a decade at a time though so it's not for me.
  7. Koohii Jedi Grand Master

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    May 30, 2003
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    I'm opposed to people using "divine" anything as a pretext for enforcing rules, whether people volunteer to be subject to the group or not. And I view all organized religions as fundamentally evil based on their behavioral models. Draw what conclusions from that you will. Morals are both rigid and flexible--just like my moods.

    Nature... Yeah, gotta love the nature argument when you throw it back in their faces and they turn beat-red claiming the data must be a hoax. And then they turn around with the Divine Engineer (or whatever it's called) droppings.
    Someone once explained (a little racist and maybe slightly bigoted) the way he heard an "Indian" tribe explaining their views. "Joe good hunter. We not get drunk with Joe, but Joe good hunter. What!?! Waste of 2 good women." Don't know if I'm amused or disturbed by that "joke" now.

    I think one thing that should happen is that divorce turn-around should drop from 6 months to 2 or 3. Being stuck with someone you don't want to be with for 6 months is... wow. On the other hand, managing all the paperwork for those divorces would still be a full-time job, and require twice as many people.
    Limit on the number of times... If you are foolish enough to have 2 bad marriages, there's no point on even trying to use the law to restrict further poor decision skills. Experience should be a good enough teacher. 1 bad marriage was more than enough for me.

    (poor taste joke #2) Of course same-sex marriage should be allowed. Let them be just as miserable as we are.
  8. MrZAP Force Ghost

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    Jun 2, 2007
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    ...

    Do me a favor. I want you to follow this simple step-by-step task.

    1. Open up a new tab to google.
    2. Type in "socialism". Look for a site with a dictionary definition.
    3. Read the definition.
    4. Come back here and in an educated analysis explain exactly how the definition has anything to do with sexuality whatsoever. Provide sources.
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  9. JackG Force Ghost

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    Aug 15, 2011
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  10. Ramza JC Head Admin and RPF Manager

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    Well, you see, capitalism involves ****ing people, whereas socialism doesn't. Therefore, socialism can be construed as forced abstinence.
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  11. MrZAP Force Ghost

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    Jun 2, 2007
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    I'm a bit tempted to turn that into my signature.
  12. TheShinyLightsaber Jedi Padawan

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    Sep 3, 2012
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    Socialism pertains to sexuality when it attempts to control it.
  13. harpua Chosen One

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    Mar 12, 2005
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    That's not an educated analysis.
  14. MrZAP Force Ghost

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    Jun 2, 2007
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    No no no. That's not what I asked to do at all. Once again:

    1. Open up a new tab to google.
    2. Type in "socialism". Look for a site with a dictionary definition.
    3. Read the definition.
    4. Come back here. Provide the definition and in an educated analysis explain exactly how the definition has anything to do with sexuality whatsoever. Provide sources.

    Modified slightly.
  15. Ramza JC Head Admin and RPF Manager

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    [IMG]

    ... Dude what?
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  16. harpua Chosen One

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    Mar 12, 2005
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    Shiny, I really don't think you know what socialism is.
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  17. JackG Force Ghost

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    This misunderstanding of socialism is amusing.
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  18. MrZAP Force Ghost

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    ... Are you conflating socialism with totalitarianism somehow? I suppose if you buy into the Soviet Union and China being socialist (they weren't, though the Soviets got closer than the Chinese did) and think that they defined socialism I suppose I can kind of see where you're coming from. Except that's an entirely wrong assumption if that's the case.
  19. Juliet316 Chosen One

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    Apr 27, 2005
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    Yeah, I heard they were going to put that as part of their convention platform a month or so back. I guess when the head of your party (who happens to also be the President) comes out in firm support for SSM, there's really no alternative than to offically come out firmly behind it as a full party.
  20. Ghost Chosen One

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    Oct 13, 2003
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    I also think the Democrats were planning to include it in their platform even if Obama didn't announce his support. There was talk of a platform plank fight over SSM before Obama's announcement.

    Obama already supported repeal of DOMA, and passing ENDA, long before his announcement anyways.
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  21. Katana_Geldar Force Ghost

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    Mar 3, 2003
    star 8
    Yeah, but it's nothing new.

    Maybe he prefers this definition.
    Last edited by Katana_Geldar, Sep 4, 2012
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  22. Koohii Jedi Grand Master

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    May 30, 2003
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    Friend of mine had a theory that one of the major reasons the military wasn't willing to integrate was because then they'd have to pay benefits to all the wrongfully discharged vets. But since there were a lot fewer WWII era survivors, maybe they'd start to become more flexible. I doubt it, but it was an amusing theory.
  23. Rogue_Ten Chosen One

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    Aug 18, 2002
    star 7
    dont look up dictionary definitions of political labels thats dumb
  24. PirateofRohan Jedi Grand Master

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    Dec 11, 2009
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    I totally support same-sex marriage. Though as a Christian, that is sometimes viewed as odd. Whatever, though. Alright then, carry on.
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  25. Humble_Jedi Force Ghost

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    Oct 14, 2004
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    Support, of course.

    There's no justifiable reason why homosexuals shouldn't have the same rights as heterosexuals. You'd think we would have realized this back when we abolished slavery and gave women voting rights, but apparently not.

    That said, you'd be surprised to learn how many people still feel women shouldn't have the same rights as men. Or black people, for that matter.
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