ST Do you think the ST Jedi will practice non-attachment like in the PT, and should they?

This should have been a poll.


I think the Jedi will take a more realistic approach... it's ok to have families and attachments, just keep yourself in control of your emotions.

 

It was a big thing to learn that healthy attachment can actually PROTECT a Jedi from turning to the darkside... healthy attachment as Luke had, vs possessive attachment as Anakin had.

 

Yeah I expect a more nuanced policy on this and no more recruitment of toddlers.

 

This quote from another thread says it all. By Yoda.

 

I'm not saying that was Yoda's reasoning, I'm just pointing out that it's suddenly something Yoda was more open to, knowing the world had changed so significatly since the formation of the Jedi order, that they needed to adapt to current situations and go against their own ideals.

TPM Yoda would never have made that same decision is what I'm saying.

 

If I may, it sounds like most of you are arguing that what (would have been) good for one must therefore be good for all. Would Anakin have been happier? Sure, by and large, unless and until Palps worked on some other weakness of his. But because "that rule" was "bad" for Anakin does not necessarily make it a bad rule.

Luke was just as tempted towards "bad" because of his attachments as his attachments were good in a different situation. He started to go ape-**** on Vader regarding Leia. Oh oh - one example - attachments are bad.

Oh, Vader's love for Luke saved him - oh oh, attachments are good.

Could it be that some of you are rather "attached" to the idea of family and subconsciously feel it "is the better choice"?

 

Argued this a lot myself in the 'marriage' thread, and totally agree. ROTJ basically rejects the entire notion of no-attachments in favor of saving the galaxy because of those attachments and emotions.

BTW totally love your avatar! (I'm a huge retro gamer, and pixel artist myself)

 

Yeah I wish people would acknowledge more often that Lucas basically just made this up for the AotC plot, and probably didn't think about how it would affect fans and their views on the Jedi.

Disney should just.......declare AotC non-canon so we can all move on from it. :>

 

They don't need to declare it non-canon, as Luke is going to create his own set of rules in a new order.

 

Yeah and since he'll likely have his sister and a number of nephews and nieces, perhaps even his own child, in the Order I think this non-attachement rule no longer stands.

 

It took letting go of his rage and fear so is attachment to his father could give himself a moment to reflect, and don't kid yourself it was refection that caused him to put the saber down not being detached, its the only way to explain the camera focusing on Vaders cut off Robot hand than Luke looking at his own (the clear intent of the director/script). It took his love for his father to risk everything, pure detachment would demand he'd place the greater good first and follow Mace Windu's example and place the galaxy ahead of his own beliefs and desires by striking down the Sith Lord before him.Someone detached from the situation would never throw away their lightsaber, unless they where so 'detached' as to be sucicidal. He was warned by Yoda not to underestimate the Emperor's powers yet he choose to face them defenceless because he loved his father too much to become him thus placing Vader in the posistion of having a choice between his son and daughter vs the darkside and his master, finally forcing Vader to face that bit of good still in him that Luke sensed all along. It might not have been his intent but his feelings did him credit and guided him to that point, and his feelings came from his attachment to his father and his actions gave Vader the emotional push to break free of the darkside due to his attachment to his son.

Attachment doesn't mean he would kill Vader and the Emperor, only if he approached it from a negative attitude approach. Attachment is why Obi-wan couldn't bring himself to kill Anakin on Mustafar after all, he couldn't bare to do it and more he admitted to it long before the fight ever happened and it went down just as he said. Attachments and Deattachments cut both ways in the killing and no killing path. Only a sith deals in absolutes

By being attached emotionally to his father and sister Luke almost fell to the darkside, true. However he overcame the temptation and instead ended up using his attachment to turn one of the most evil men in the galaxy back to the light. Hence the title of the story "Return of the Jedi". His attachment made him become the greatest Jedi of his age. Funny this all kinda comes back to Anakins speech to Padme about what he believes compassion and attachment really mean, he just failed to live up to his talk but his son Luke walked the walk.

 

and Mace was a horrible wingman.....

YODA: Like me she does, everywhere the signs are!
MACE: Signs that could've been misread. This party's over.

 

YODA: Mmm. Lost a date, I have Master Windu. How embarrassing. How embarrassing.

 

All you got out of the book was "people shouldn't be idiots?" Well, the story(like all of Shakespeare's work)is a metaphor. The "forbidden love" stuff is just surface level. Shakespeare used that as a device to make a social commentary. The moral of the story is about the problem of feuding nations(families in this case)and the ultimate futility of long vendettas.

He was trying to show about the pointlessness of all those endless European wars that were constantly being fought in his time. He was saying if people showed some idealistic love for one another than petty nationalistic squabbling; life would be better.

 

Well, he wasn't writing it for you. He had to write his play in metaphors largely because he was financed through royal donations. He couldn't outright insult the monarchy, so he decided to be subversive.

Also, the suicide part wasn't the idealistic element. The suicide was the tragic element that Romeo and Juliet were victims of circumstance. The idealistic element was their courting that occurred in the previous acts. That even though they were supposed to hate each other; neither did so.

 

Probably be a lot faster to rebuild the Jedi Order by having kids rather than travelling the galaxy looking for force sensitive kids and snatching them from the parents.

The flip side is this would also create a more powerful Jedi lineage since they're all decendents of Anakin.

 

Kidnap the parents too. There is more than enough vacant rooms in the Jedi Temple right now to house all of them!

 

Traviss wasn't the first to theorise that the Jedi were kidnappers based on somewhat scanty evidence.

Curtis Saxton also constructed a hypothesis that Jedi kidnap children from planets not in the Republic- based on the existence of Jedi Mon Cals- before "first contact" in the Empire period.

http://www.theforce.net/swtc/moncal.html

More recent references paint a peculiar and frightening picture of the status of the Mon Calamari in the final decades of the Old Republic. In his youth, Obi-Wan Kenobi knew a Jedi initiate belonging to the Mon Calamari species [The Rising Force, p.17]. This suggests that the Jedi regularly abduct Force-strong children from pre-contact primitive civilisations.

Of course, later EU had them be a part of the Republic.

 

they should have an older jedi who is too attached to his childhood holodiscs and when they are changed he goes berserk and kills younglings.