Does anybody still think that George Lucas is a genius?

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  1. Son_Of_Kurtzman Jedi Knight

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    ****Seems to me like he has always been misunderstood by everyone around him. Even his own fans more recently.****

    I don't think he is misunderstood now. Everyone knows that he has a great series, and have been all for him doing the prequels.

    ****Look at all the undue negativity that was spewed all over TPM by people who consider themselves "fans" of the series.****

    I just think they were disappointed. I think they still are fans, and most of them don't want to hate it... they just do. I disagree with them and love TPM. But, for various reasons, some fans just don't like it. Some don't like ANH, some don't like ESB (yeah, a few) and a lot have found things not to like from ROTJ. None of these qualms make them non-fans. Even the most die-hard bashers still usually find ONE thing from TPM that was like the old magic of Star Wars. Maybe with time, they will find a few more.

    ****It is a wonder Lucas can stick to his vision without letting all this misunderstanding get to him.****

    Hardly... the guy is making a zillion dollars on these prequels and he is so darn secluded that it doesn't compare with the struggle he had with the original film. No comparison.
  2. TheAnointedOne Jedi Knight

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    "Look at all the undue negativity that was spewed all over TPM by people who consider themselves "fans" of the series."

    Poor Lucas... I can't believe that the poor guy has to accept that his work will be honestly evaluated by the viewers that are paying to see his movie! I don't know how he copes! (sarcasm of course)
  3. hawk Jedi Grand Master

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    Seems to me like he has always been misunderstood by everyone around him. Even his own fans more recently.

    Once again implying that people who are critical of TPM don't "get" Lucas' vision? Don't you ever learn or take in a single shred of information from other people? Isn't POSSIBLE GO-MER that people understand his vision but don't agree or like it?

    Look at all the undue negativity that was spewed all over TPM by people who consider themselves "fans" of the series.

    So once again people who didn't like TPM are not fans of Star Wars? Oh yeah you didn't say that exactly did you which is what you will say next right? But we all know what you are implying and it is, ONCE AGAIN, the same nonsense that has gotten you into trouble about a million times already. Why don't you cut it out. Your constant quest to upset people who don't agree with you, that the PT is awesome, is becoming really, really pathetic. Knock it off.



  4. Jedi_Learner Jedi Grand Master

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    "Look at all the undue negativity that was spewed all over TPM by people who consider themselves "fans" of the series."

    Several years can make or break a persons expectations, I didn't have to suffer this because I wasn't as excited as some people were. Now after Episode I, I cannot get enough of it.

    "Your constant quest to upset people who don't agree with you, that the PT is awesome, is becoming really, really pathetic. Knock it off."

    That's unfair, don't you think. We could just change the word in bold and it would insult you as well. Please respect your fellow Jedi Council members, or no discussion will happen and people will hate each other. :)
  5. hawk Jedi Grand Master

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    Respect each other like the hate mail you send to me from time to time JediLearner? Like the hate PM you sent to me just then?
  6. General Kenobi Administrator Emeritus

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    Let's refrain from any personal insults here. If you have a problem with another user, you should PM a mod.
  7. Go-Mer-Tonic Jedi Youngling

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    Yeah let's not get upset because others are able to enjoy this film.

    I am not questioning anyone's fanship Hawk. I am just saying that it must be hard for Lucas to hear about how so many people hate what he is doing, especially coming from his own fans.

    I don't mind if you guys want to dwell on the one film you can't stand out of the saga day in and day out, but by the same token, you have to be able to tolerate people who love this film as well.
  8. Quixotic-Sith Manager Emeritus

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    Yeah let's not get upset because others are able to enjoy this film.

    I am not questioning anyone's fanship Hawk. I am just saying that it must be hard for Lucas to hear about how so many people hate what he is doing, especially coming from his own fans.

    I don't mind if you guys want to dwell on the one film you can't stand out of the saga day in and day out, but by the same token, you have to be able to tolerate people who love this film as well.


    [face_laugh]

    Don't try to take the high road on this one, Go-Mer. You're hardly one to talk of toleration of dissenting opinions. I seem to recall a line in other fora (The Official Site) about there only being two kinds of people in the SW fandom: "reasonable fans and mindless jerks".

    Anyway, everyone needs to cool off, right now. Take a walk from this thread for 24 hours and come back when we are capable of discussing the films and not the fans.
  9. Jedi_Learner Jedi Grand Master

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    "Take a walk from this thread for 24 hours and come back when we are capable of discussing the films and not the fans."

    What has he done to give him 24 hours? He hasn't insulted anyone. :confused:
  10. Quixotic-Sith Manager Emeritus

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    I didn't ban anyone. I told everyone involved in the current dispute to avoid this thread (and by extension each other) for 24 hours.
  11. Jedi_Learner Jedi Grand Master

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    I thought you banned him. Sorry about that.
  12. Anakinisthechosenone Jedi Knight

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    I still think he's a genius I love all 5 films! lol
  13. foxbatkllr Jedi Grand Master

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    Does anybody still think that George Lucas is a genius?

    Yes, yes I do. IMO, TPM and AOTC have further established it.
  14. rpeugh Force Ghost

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    George Lucas rocks. He is without a doubt my favorite filmmaker. I wish I was in his position right now. Financing his own movies so he can call his own shots, giving the studios the bird, "Oh, so now do you say that I can put STAR WARS Episode 4: A new Hope on the opening crawl?" "Your darn right I can, Ha, Ha!!!" "Oh, you dont like how Jar Jar does a summersault before he splashes in the water? Well, Meeesa thinking youusssaaa can suck it!!"

    By the way, did you guys read those award essays on FilmThreat.com about George Lucas? I cant beleive one of those guys called Lucas the Michael Jackson of filmmaking!!! That is a completely disrespectful insult, and it made me livid.
  15. Son_Of_Kurtzman Jedi Knight

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    ****By the way, did you guys read those award essays on FilmThreat.com about George Lucas? I cant beleive one of those guys called Lucas the Michael Jackson of filmmaking!!! That is a completely disrespectful insult, and it made me livid.****

    They might not be far off. Instead of Neverland, he has Skywalker Ranch. Instead of regurgitating THRILLER-like music for twenty years, it's Star Wars. Both are reclusive and shy. No one was saying that Lucas sleeps with kids in his bedroom or cut his face up. They were just talking about his rather strange tendencies.

    The people on Film Threat are the typical Indie film people, who like to cut down almost anything mainstream, and act like everyone should be a poor artist, weeping in the streets. Their stuff is okay, but they are full of themselves most of the time, film school degrees and all. Don't take it too seriously. Lucas is a bit quirky, but so was Jim Morrison, Brian Wilson, Orson Welles and countless others of enormous talent. It almost goes with the territory. George is a nice, weird guy. No biggie.
  16. Go-Mer-Tonic Jedi Youngling

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    I don't see what is so weird about him.
  17. NearysEpiphany Jedi Youngling

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    Of course you don't, Gomer.
  18. Go-Mer-Tonic Jedi Youngling

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    I take it you don't see why either?
  19. bad radio Force Ghost

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    I posted the following in another thread (warning? link takes you to the spoilers forum) but thought that it might be appropriate in this thread too:

    Just thought I would up this thread with some screen comparisons between some Kurosawa films and A New Hope.

    The Hidden Fortress

    The Hidden Fortress starts out with the two bickering peasants, who everybody knows was in the inspiration for the droids. The two of them are fleeing the ravages of civil war when all the sudden they are confronted with a horrific sight. Coming into the shot we see a wounded samurai and he appears to be running from someone or something.
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    Then entering into the shot we see what he?s running from; a group of samurai on horseback from the Yamana clan ride through the shot and kill the wounded samurai.
    [image=http://members.cox.net/badradio/THF056.JPG] [image=http://members.cox.net/badradio/THF057.JPG] [image=http://members.cox.net/badradio/THF058.JPG]
    The horsemen turn around and then glance momentarily at the peasants. They look at the two men like animals?the peasants aren?t worth killing and then the samurai ride out of the shot.
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    This opening scene is similar to the bantering that goes on between Artoo and Threepio on Tatooine, not to mention that when they jumped in the escape pod the Imperial soldiers didn?t blast the pod.
    [image=http://members.cox.net/badradio/ANH027.JPG] [image=http://members.cox.net/badradio/ANH034.JPG]
    Just like the samurai thought the peasants weren?t worth killing, the Imperial soldiers also think that the pod isn?t worth blasting.

    After a pretty funny argument between the two of them, the peasants split up and go their separate ways just like Artoo and Threepio. However, they can?t stay out of the Yamanas? sights forever, and eventually both of them are picked up by Yamana troops and are made into slaves.
    [image=http://members.cox.net/badradio/THF063.JPG] [image=http://members.cox.net/badradio/THF064.JPG]
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    In time they are reunited with one another when the Yamanas put them to work tearing apart a castle in an effort to find 200 bars of gold that are supposed to be hidden there.
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    Later, the peasants escape and end up wandering around the wilderness. One day while they?re cooking some rice, they notice that the firewood they?re using isn?t working too well; the firewood will not burn because hidden inside of it is a bar of gold. Moreover, this is one of the 200 bars of gold that the Yamanas were looking for in the aforementioned castle. The two peasants realize this, and so begins their hunt for more sticks with gold bars in them?the gold becomes the McGuffin of the film (just like the Death Star plans).
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    Their search ultimately puts them in contact with General Rokurota.
    [image=http://members.cox.net/badradio/THF070.JPG] [image=http://members.cox.net/badradio/THF071.JPG]

    Similarly, Luke finds Princess Leia?s message inside Artoo. This discovery ultimately puts him in contact with General Kenobi.
    [image=http://members.cox.net/badradio/ANH030.JPG] [image=http://members.cox.net/badradio/ANH031.JPG] [image=http://members.cox.net/badradio/ANH032.JPG]

    It turns out that General Rokurota is guarding Princess Yuki, heir to the Akizuki clan, and the 200 bars of />
  20. Go-Mer-Tonic Jedi Youngling

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    I think Kurosawa is a genius for predicting what Lucas would do to copy it in his films. ;)
  21. Son_Of_Kurtzman Jedi Knight

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    Copying ideas from mythology, literature, other films, etc. is nothing new. The first artist copied nature and his friend probably copied nature and what he saw the first artist paint on the cave wall, and so forth and so forth.

    Resovoir Dogs" was almost an exact carbon copy of Ringo Lamm's "City Of God," but that doesn't make it any less of a film, nor does it make Quentin any less of a movie director, in my opinion.

    In 1977, Lucas was at the height of his genius. He still has it today, though I miss the maverick-ness of his whole ideology. The social fabric has changed a lot since the '70s, though. I think years down the road, a lot of people will see how dark the PT really is.
  22. redxavier Force Ghost

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    "Ringo Lamm's "City Of God"

    Actually, it's Lam, and City on Fire.
  23. Son_Of_Kurtzman Jedi Knight

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    Yes, you're right... forgive me. I'm on so much medication, having just had wisdom teeth surgury yesterday. I'm sitting in bed (where I've been all day), with my laptop. Forgive any mistakes from this night!
  24. JohnWilliams00 Jedi Master

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    Once again, great job there bad radio. Love those pics. There were even some similarities I didn't even notice before.

    I don't have the Sanjuro DVD, otherwise I'd do a few captures too. There's a lot of talk about viceroys and a final duel that really reminds me of Darth Maul. (not so much the choreography but the attitude of the character).

  25. bad radio Force Ghost

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    Is this what you?re referring to JW00?

    [image=http://members.cox.net/badradio/SAN014.JPG] [image=http://members.cox.net/badradio/SAN016.JPG] [image=http://members.cox.net/badradio/SAN017.JPG]

    [image=http://members.cox.net/badradio/TPM006.JPG] [image=http://members.cox.net/badradio/TPM005.JPG] [image=http://members.cox.net/badradio/TPM009.JPG]

    The quick and unexpected death blow? the gratuitous spray of blood? death.
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