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CT Does anyone else actually like Anakin's "NOOOO" added in ROTJ?

Discussion in 'Classic Trilogy' started by Seagoat , Feb 8, 2014.

  1. Seagoat

    Seagoat PT and Music Section Dictator star 5 Staff Member Manager

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    Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one who likes this addition
     
  2. Sarge

    Sarge Chosen One star 6

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    Nooooooooooo! I don't.
     
  3. Force Smuggler

    Force Smuggler Force Ghost star 7

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    Feels slightly fake.
     
  4. The Hellhammer

    The Hellhammer Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    It is utterly atrocious and deserving of a Hague trial.
     
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  5. TX-20

    TX-20 Jedi Master star 4

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    Forget the trial. Straight to the firing squad.
     
  6. WAC-47

    WAC-47 Jedi Youngling

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    No. I hate it. I feel like it assumed the audience is stupid and it needs to be put in there so we know he's trying to save Luke.

    It's not the worst change, but it's not something I like either.

    Really the only change I like is the ROTJ celebration. The rest of them are varying degrees of bad, with ANH Jabba, Greedo shooting first, and the new Emperor scene in Empire being the worst, to whatever is the least worse. The "Noooo" resides somewhere in the middle, but closer to the really bad side.
     
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  7. Rowboatcop

    Rowboatcop Jedi Padawan star 1

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    Yeah.......no.
     
  8. Ananta Chetan

    Ananta Chetan Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Just say yes to no.
     
  9. sharkymcshark

    sharkymcshark Jedi Knight star 3

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  10. Revanfan1

    Revanfan1 Force Ghost star 6

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  11. Cushing's Admirer

    Cushing's Admirer Force Ghost star 7

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    No, I can't stand it. First it sounds fake and secondly it implies we are stupid which we aren't. Actually, for me, this addition ruins the emotional poignancy of the scene that it had when Vader was silent.
     
  12. CommanderDrenn

    CommanderDrenn Jedi Knight star 4

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    Agreed. Part of the joy of the scene for me is imagining Vader's thought process as he looks between his son and the Empire; between good and evil. Noooo just spells it out for you.
     
  13. Cushing's Admirer

    Cushing's Admirer Force Ghost star 7

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    I agree, Drenn. It's amazing how deep the original silent bit is and seeing how Vader is tells you a lot of his conflict but doesn't force an exact message down your throat. The 'Noooo!' basically does.
     
  14. Force Smuggler

    Force Smuggler Force Ghost star 7

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    Some changes are good but this change proves that not every change is good.
     
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  15. FRAGWAGON

    FRAGWAGON Jedi Master star 4

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    Total indifference is how I feel about it.
     
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  16. Cushing's Admirer

    Cushing's Admirer Force Ghost star 7

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    That seems to be how you feel about a lot of SW aspects, Fragwagon.
     
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  17. WAC-47

    WAC-47 Jedi Youngling

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    That and before it seemed more important.
    Yoda tells Luke "If you begin down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny." This was back in the Original Trilogy, of course, when dialogue actually mattered.
    I guess the almighty Jedi Master was just engaging in hypoerbole....

    But anyway... I took that to mean, if you turn to the dark side, there's no coming back. That's why ROTJ ObiWan thought Luke was being ridiculous when he said his father was conflicted.

    So to come full circle and get to my original point, the original scene, before the "Noooo" just struck me more as Anakin's destiny being realized through a previously unknown willpower unique in the history of the Jedi and universe. You imagine him struggling with it as the camera is flashing back to him, and finally he summons the strength to overcome Darth Vader and destroy the Sith.

    With the "Nooooo!" it changes everything, and now it's basically just Vader being insubordinate and quitting his job.
     
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  18. Seagoat

    Seagoat PT and Music Section Dictator star 5 Staff Member Manager

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    Yes
     
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  19. The Hellhammer

    The Hellhammer Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Yes, it is simply insulting to the audience. The silence when you see Vader looking at Luke...then at Palpatine...back at Luke... he makes his call and saves his son, without a word... that's art. You can see the emotions in the light and the positioning of his helmet. You can see the doubt and the resolve in subtle movements and shadows... it all takes place in a matter of seconds but it's there.

    Having that Noooooo! there... it's simply vulgar. Downright insulting to everyone involved. I cannot possibly comprehend how did anyone think that was a good idea.
     
  20. Ananta Chetan

    Ananta Chetan Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    It playfully reminds me I am watching a space opera.

    ;)
     
  21. WAC-47

    WAC-47 Jedi Youngling

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    You and I can be friends.
     
  22. Lulu Mars

    Lulu Mars Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I love it! It makes Anakin shine through. He's back and he shouts it out for all the galaxy to hear!
    I also like how his fall to the dark side and his return are both marked by a big "NOOOO". Nice mirroring!

    And yes, I know it's the same recording. That makes it even cooler.
     
  23. agentkrycek

    agentkrycek Jedi Knight star 2

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    Its the one change in the Special Editions I hate with a burning passion.
     
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  24. Darth_Nub

    Darth_Nub Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Can't stand it - did have a good laugh about it when it first emerged (Want a drink? NOOOOO!!!!), but now it's just embarrassing.

    Apart from it being unnecessary and lame, it undermines what was previously one of the finest moments of the whole Saga.
     
  25. FRAGWAGON

    FRAGWAGON Jedi Master star 4

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    Such drama. Like a thousand voices, crying out "NOOOOOO!" In terror.....