CT Does anyone else actually like Anakin's "NOOOO" added in ROTJ?

That NOOOOO in ROTS was awful by itself-midnight opening, there was MUCH laughter during that scene from the crowd. I don't care how adding it to ROTJ makes it an "echo" or how it's poetic, it is silly and takes away from a powerful moment. You don't need to be told, you are SHOWN. Less is more.

As for other changes, there's a reason I pretty much only watch the original versions (Harmy's Despecialized) or if I watch a special edition, I stick with AdyWan's, I consider that the full special edition and not the half-done one...even though he left those cg aliens in the cantina...I got the bluray set for very cheap mostly for the deleted scenes. Seeing the original trilogy in it's special edition, George Lucas' preferred form, just...no. No. So glad he can now be kept away from tinkering further, let's leave it at that.

CG Jabba in ANH is horrid. Greedo shooting first, Greedo/Han shooting at the same time...STOP IT. The two stupid cg aliens replacing Lak Sivrak and the Defel, I much prefer the "wolfmen". Jedi rocks, yuck, prefer the original all the way. I always thought the sarlacc pit was more horrific being just a hole with teeth and tentacles, than a Little Shop of Horrors monster on the ground...but that's just me. Didn't need to see more of the Wampa. Didn't need to see Vader arriving on Executor and having his lines changed-I thought it was more to the point and menacing when he just says "bring me my shuttle".

And I know the changed ROTJ ending ties all the movies together better, but....I still totally prefer YUB NUB....

 

"Does anyone else actually like Anakin's "NOOOO" added in ROTJ?"


I don't.

 

It doesn't ruin the scene for me. I don't hate it.

 

So you would have been happy to take the original NOOOO! away from Empire which started it all in the first place?

After all it's silly and takes away from a powerful moment.

Doesn't it?

 

The difference between the "NOOO" added in ROTJ and those found in ESB, ROTS, and TPM is that those used in previous films have been done to show the utter powerlessness of a trapped character. I don't particularly like the usage of the big "NOOO" but until it was stuffed into ROTJ it had at least been used consistently.

In the Phantom Menace Obi Wan is literally trapped in the power shield corridor thing as Qui Gon is killed, there was nothing he could do to help. He was trapped and dis-empowered.
In Revenge of the Sith Anakin is more or less literally trapped in his suit, and there is nothing he can do to help Padme. He was trapped and dis-empowered.
In the Empire Strikes back Luke is maimed and backed into a corner, and there is nothing he can do to fight back or deny the truth that Vader is telling him. He was trapped and dis-empowered.

To set that precedent for the usage of the big "NOOO" and then just chuck it in at the end of ROTJ, in arguably the most empowering moment of the entire saga, when Vader breaks the hold that the Dark Side has on him and returns to the light, misses the point of its previous use to the point more or less of cinematic negligence.

The idea that it's there to 'make the trilogies rhyme' or whatever rubbish basically just suggests to me that with every iteration of these films released they're increasingly targeted at and lapped up by people that don't really like to think about the movies that they watch and are easily pleased by the simplest of audio/visual cues no matter how out of context they may be.

 

I think 'Nooooooooooooooo!!!' is always a bit of a risky piece of dialogue. There's a reasonably high chance of unintentional humour being achieved - see ROTS.

I agree that the new ROTJ version does differ contextually from the others in that it's more of a "No, you're not going to do that" than an exasperated, hopeless "No, this can't be happening". This is, after all, Anakin / Vader at his least hopeless. It rhymes only on a surface level.

 

Have you ever thought that maybe the point is that this is the counterpoint to all of those no's of despair and now at the end this is a no that is not about powerlessness but now empowerment?

When he screamed before it was too late and he couldn't do anything for Padme now he can do something for Luke. The last time Vader was really Anakin was at that moment and now Anakin is back.

I think that is totally untrue witnessed by the discussion we are having about it.

 

I hate it. I thought it was worse than Han and Greedo.

Vaders silent contemplation of what was going on was one of the best things about that scene. By adding the NO before Vader actually acts gives away what is going to come next. By keeping Vader silent, right up til the point he grabs Palpatine, keeps the audience guessing even just a little as to what Vader will do.

 

I don't like it, but I wouldn't have thought twice about it if the movie had always been like that.

 

This.

Show the latest version of the OT to a complete Star Wars virgin and none of the changes are going to affect their enjoyment of the films. I don't understand what the huge deal is when it comes to Lucas altering HIS OWN movies. Especially when, for the most part, they're for the better and provide a more consistent viewing experience. This is a massive universe of detailed stories. Do you have to get so upset and obsess over the smallest things? Han shooting first (barely), while arguably pointless, does NOT alter his character (he's still Han Solo... don't over-analyze it). Having some added CGI into the background for a few seconds won't kill you, Obi-Wan's Krayt Dragon call was always ridiculous, Boba Fett hardly had any speaking lines to begin with, and Darth Vader's "Nooo" is not the end of the world.

 

That's not what a counterpoint is though. Lucas ignoring how a convention has been implemented throughout the entire saga by both himself and others and using it in more or less completely the opposite way is not a counterpoint.

Inconsistency is not a counterpoint.

It's not particularly true, unless you concede that it was Anakin acting as Anakin, not Vader, who brutalised his wife, tried to kill Obi Wan and sacked the temple.

The mere existence of a discussion doesn't accord each side with validity.

 

Out of all the additions its probably the one thats bothered me the least, with the worst being the addition of the ROTJ outtake of Jerjerod greeting party that meet Vader in ESB as he leaves his shuttle.

 

What's wrong with that one?

 

It really bugs me because it looks exactly like it is, a Death Star outtake from ROTJ tacked in on just to show his shuttle landing. Its like theres been no thought of the fact that Jerjerod had not apeared in the film at all, (of course the powers that be would say that he was also a commander on the Executor). But I would hazard a guess that they never even thought about it as its so fleeting a glimpse. Also I don't think we ever see a Star Destroyer landing bay in the OT at all, so I just find it disappointing that they used some off the floor footage that to me looks out of place.

 

I didn't hate it. The original "silent" Vader was perfect but the addition, if anything, brings that Vader closer to the ROTS version. For better or for worse. Its the least offensive edit, imho.

 

The amount of expression that can be interpreted from silent, masked characters in SW (most notably Vader and 3PO) is something that I've always admired. So for me, the addition isn't that welcome, although I'd agree it's far from the most offensive change.

 

what do you consider the most offensive change?

for me this is on par with the Sebastian Shaw replaced by Hayden one.

 

I'm actually most bothered by things that visually jar me out of a certain time period and therefore the story. For example, CGI elements added to the Mos Eisley sequence in ANH. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of the 'Nooo' but it doesn't slap me in the face like some other things do.

 

I think if George got to doing another edition, every scene with Vader would contain a NOOOOOOOOO. NOOOOOOOO thanks.

 

When Luke jumps after Vader reveals that he is his father.

 

Not a big fan of it, but it doesn't really bother me that much now that I think of it. The scene where Luke yells "no" is kind of awkward too.. cheesy "nooo" moments seems to be a thing in Star Wars, now. But I think George really made up for it with the Hayden force ghost change, now that's a change I LOVED.

 

No. No it really doesn't. But then you know that already don't you, so why even bother to mention it at all?

> Implying that's a good thing.

 

@Heero_Guy: Whether you agree with it or not, Qui-Riv-Brid has made a legitimate comparison between those two scenes. Your 'wrong and you know it' response above isn't particularly helpful. Address the point or just leave it be.

 

Auto "No.."

 

So how do you feel about the Star Wars outake's used on ROTJ with various Death Star scenes?

How do you feel about the use of outake's used in Star Wars to create the misimpression that the Death Star was going to destroy the rebel base?