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Discussion Does anyone have ideas for Episode VII that don't undermine the previous films?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Episode VII and Beyond (Archive)' started by El Jedi Colombiano, Jun 24, 2013.

  1. El Jedi Colombiano

    El Jedi Colombiano Force Ghost star 5

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    Yes, ideas that have:
    No Sith
    No Empire
    No Reborn Palpatine
    No Plagueis
    No Darth Vader
    No Darth Maul

    Basically original ideas?
     
  2. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    Rebellion splits into opposing factions. It often happens in real life.
     
  3. Pro Scoundrel

    Pro Scoundrel New Films Lawgiver & Casual Flyer star 5 Staff Member Manager

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    Undermine is a strong word. By some peoples standards simply making the ST is "undermining" the previous films.
     
  4. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    I would be in that camp if I wasn't wise enough to simply exclude the ST from top-tier canon.
     
  5. Darth Chiznuk

    Darth Chiznuk Superninja of New Films star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    I have no fear that the ST will undermine the saga. I think Lucas/Arndt will only strength it. I can't wait to see what they have come up with to continue it. :D
     
  6. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    Neither can I. I'm counting on them to have ideas that are at least as good as mine.
     
  7. Pro Scoundrel

    Pro Scoundrel New Films Lawgiver & Casual Flyer star 5 Staff Member Manager

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    But, how do you make that determination without seeing it? The story still comes from Lucas, so it may fit perfectly. Hell, it might be the best Star Wars we've ever seen.
     
  8. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    I meant depending on what I think when I see it.
     
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  9. Darth Claire

    Darth Claire Force Ghost star 5

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    Wait so you mean create ideas that DONT involve ressurecting people and doing things that we all expect them to do?.........nah originality is overrated ;)
    But seriously IDK...I'll leave that stuff up to Arndt and Lucas since we have no say in what they do.
     
  10. Pro Scoundrel

    Pro Scoundrel New Films Lawgiver & Casual Flyer star 5 Staff Member Manager

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    Ah, gotcha.
     
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  11. darthfettus2015

    darthfettus2015 Jedi Knight star 3

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    remember its a sequel, not totally original
     
  12. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    for better or for worse
     
  13. Darth_Pevra

    Darth_Pevra Force Ghost star 6

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    Mandalorians attack. Vong attack. -insert random evil faction- attacks.
     
  14. El Jedi Colombiano

    El Jedi Colombiano Force Ghost star 5

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    Fine. Contradict previously established films.
     
  15. Corvax855

    Corvax855 Jedi Knight star 3

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    Pretty much nothing can contradict the previous films, because anything that happens after RotJ is still great big question mark, unless you subscribe to the EU. The prequels had far more contradictions because we knew certain things that to play out in a certain way for some of the lines to make sense in the way they were stated (Obi Wan saying that Anakin wanted his son to have his lightsaber, Leia remembering her 'real' mother, Obi Wan being reckless during Yoda's training, but in fact he was just a toddler, which makes no sense, etc).

    If anything, the ST has a lot more storytelling potential because you can essentially start from scratch without being constrained by previous statements from the films. These are going to be fantastic movies that blow the prequels away, that's my gut feeling.
     
  16. Pro Scoundrel

    Pro Scoundrel New Films Lawgiver & Casual Flyer star 5 Staff Member Manager

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    Based on that, I'd say that "No Sith" and "No Empire" don't qualify, because the Empire could be defeated but not totally destroyed. The Sith could return because the films never make a distinction between a Sith and a fallen Jedi. Only the EU does that.
     
  17. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    1. What if an ancient evil reawakens?
    2. What if the events of I-VI are misreferenced?
     
  18. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    "Sith" is a sect of fallen Jedi. Of course, there could be surviving Sith that we don't know about, but turning to the Dark Side does NOT by itself make someone a "Sith", and if the ST is stupid enough to think that, I will walk out of the theater!
     
  19. El Jedi Colombiano

    El Jedi Colombiano Force Ghost star 5

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    Mando's would be a good idea. I'm not sure about the Vong though.
     
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  20. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    Death Watch, now lead by Post Vizsla
     
  21. Corvax855

    Corvax855 Jedi Knight star 3

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    Both are perfectly possible. That's what I was getting at: the ST is an open playground for almost anything to happen. The only requirements are the standard SW staples: space battles, lightsaber duels, racing along at high speeds, etc.
     
  22. El Jedi Colombiano

    El Jedi Colombiano Force Ghost star 5

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    The films and GL make it clear that the Sith were destroyed at the end of Jedi. As far as the Empire, I agree that they may not have been totally destroyed, but any Remnants would have changed stylistically over the course of 30 years. Both as a culture and civilization.
     
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  23. Pro Scoundrel

    Pro Scoundrel New Films Lawgiver & Casual Flyer star 5 Staff Member Manager

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    True, but the according to the films, it only takes a jedi falling to the darkside and then calling themselves a Sith to become a Sith. Only the EU states that there's more to it than that. So, a Jedi could fall to the darkside in the new films, and start calling themselves a Sith without contradicting the films.
     
  24. El Jedi Colombiano

    El Jedi Colombiano Force Ghost star 5

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    Saying that Obi-Wan wanted his son to have his lightsaber isn't a contradiction. It's merely stating something that Anakin might have wanted for his son. As far as Leia remembering her mother, we don't now what kind of ''memory embedded by the Force'' Leia had, that Luke didn't have. Mind you that in the prequels Yoda trained all the younglings, what if Obi-Wan was a reckless youngling? Those things have an explanation of their own, either by use of your imagination or some kind of obvious conclusion. When I mean contradictions, I mean contradicting firmly established plot points.
     
  25. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    Based on that logic, Anakin was a Jedi before he met Qui-Gon.
     
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