Discussion Does anyone have ideas for Episode VII that don't undermine the previous films?

Evil is essentially the same in every culture. The Devil in the Abrahamic religions is going to have the same motivations as the Hindu antigods and Demons, as Angra Mainyu in Zoroastrianism, as Vucub-Caquix, the Mayan monster macaw. The difference lies in their presentation and in their philosophy. You can't simply consider the Sith and the Nightsisters to be the same, because they are not, at least not outside their core. The Sith have been able to lead double lives, being both politicians, economists and starship engineers while at the same time being secretly evil wizards. The Nightsisters have lived their entire lives in the red planet Dathomir, dedicated to witch craft and living under the rule of the shaman in a matriarchal society, while the Sith live under an ancient order which says that their can only be two: a master and an apprentice. Besides their different powers, different places they live in and so forth, The Sith primarily live to destroy the Jedi Order. The Nightsisters as far as we know, don't have a vendetta against the Jedi, but instead have manipulated the Sith in order to achieve their goals.

 

He did indeed choose to become a Sith.

Palpatine: Become my new Apprentice.
Anakin: Sure!

 

Bottom line on this topic... if you don't want Sith in the ST, then you shouldn't want Sith copies (with just a few superficial differences) either.
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speak for yourself.

I personally don't mind to see other variants of the darkside,

in fact I think a bunch a villains following a set of rules set by a bad guy thousands of years before to be a bit of a stretch

"oh we MUST have 2, darth bane said so".. uhhm.. yeah

 

In addition to that, the Nightsisters and the Sith have different beliefs and philosophies.

 

You can become a Sith by learning from one, just like you can become a Jedi by learning from one.

 

Well, the EU and movies are pretty much all one "canon"... there's a few inconsistencies but nothing big, and mostly it's inconsistencies from book to book. But you're right that that's no longer set in stone, until we see what the ST does with the EU.

Because he recognized he did something wrong, and turned away from it. But that's not my point.

The point... this thread asks about an original idea that has no Sith. I'm saying having Sith copycats would be as original as having Sith again.

And if Anakin had stayed on the dark side after killing the Sand People, then yes, he would have been a Sith in all but name... calling him Sith or not would have made no difference.


And yes, Darth Bane creating the Rule of Two is in the TPM novel.

 

And if Anakin had stayed on the dark side after killing the Sand People, then yes, he would have been a Sith in all but name... calling him Sith or not would have made no difference.
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that's just not true though.

Sith live by a set of rules

"master and an apprentice"

"must have darth title"

etc.

 

I'm still laughing about when Darth Loocas said, "Don't tell me Palpatine came out of the other end of the shaft that Anakin threw him into."

 

The Sith don't have to be 2... the Sith break their rules all the time, and can evolve.

And I'm saying it's not logical to want Sith in all but name, if you don't want Sith.

Not really. Just some superficial differences.

See my response to you above. Those aren't permanent rules.

And I said he would have been a Sith in all but name, what he was called would make no difference.

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Agreed.

And in Star Wars, with a galactic civilization, the Sith are basically the Big Bad of the entire galactic culture.

Presentation is superficial.

And I don't see any deep philosophical differences.

Like you said, the Sith and Nightsisters are the same at their core.

The Nightsisters are like Sith copycats, with different powers from their different perspective, who stay on their tribal planet. They're just localized Sith in all but name.

 

Thank you! I was hoping everyone would enjoy it!

 

Good point, Chorus.

 

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I'll do it my own way thanks. I don't like Alerting people, if you notice I don't "like" posts either even though many make cracking good posts.

And from movie evidence Sith don't break rules all the time, if that was the case, Sidious would have had both Tyranus AND Vader as apprentices,

 

I just didn't know if you knew how to.

And if we're looking at only the movies, Vader seemed to think Palpatine would break the Rule of Two.

 

Or maybe Vader and Palpatine both expected to be betrayed. Betraying and being betrayed is as normal as having dinner for a Sith.

 

Summer Dreamer: sorry if my post sounded harsh, wasn't meant to be

And although you make a good point, you could argue that Lucas didn't have the history of the Sith figured out yet, if you accept OOU explanations that is.

 

None of these are superficial differences, but whatever.

The Nightsisters choose to call upon the Winged Goddess (the Daughter) and the Fanged God (the Son), in order to utilize their magicks and communicate with the spirit realm.

The Sith see the Force as a means to an end, and some of them seeked to study the Force in an entirely rationalistic way. Others, like Palpatine, may have seen the Force as a deity.

If those aren't Clear differences to you, I have no idea what the hell they are for you.

 

The Nightsisters choose to call upon the Winged Goddess (the Daughter) and the Fanged God (the Son), in order to utilize their magicks and communicate with the spirit realm.
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*chuckles*

oh TCW, you were funny while you lasted


(I'm assuming this is TCW)