Discussion Does anyone think Darth Vader will *not* be in Episode VII?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Episode VII and Beyond (Archive)' started by MiamiJedi, Jan 26, 2013.

  1. Vespasian Jedi Master

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    Darth Vader? In person? Nope. I'm sure his legacy will be influential still, and we may see Anakin as a Force Ghost, forever young.

    Which makes me think. How many people will know in the film that Vader was Luke's father? R2, Han and Leia for a start, but I'm sure the new Jedi will be a little suspicious for some people in the new Republic, so this secret knowledge may be an actual plot point.

    Master Skywalker, a Force user, is the son of Darth Vader, another Force user with genocidal tendencies?

    (Someone also mentioned Vader's fortress, that's possible, but even it that happens, it will just be a menacing background.)
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  2. Darth kRud Jedi Grand Master

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    The only "dead" person from the films I could see comming back to life is Plagueis. Just as Qui Gon Jin figured out how to manifest as force ghost perhaps Plagueis can figure out how to manifest in the flesh. It was his primary concern in life ya know....to cheat death. They also hinted that he was Vaders father so, in the tradition of twists with fathers..... Whatever villain they chose to create it has to be beyond epic in order to rival the Vader of the OT. Some one has their work cut out for them. I'm not sure it can be done.
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  3. SithLordDarthRichie London CR

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    I think he won't be in it.


    Know why? 'cos he dead.


    Just sayin'
  4. TryWhistlingThis Jedi Grand Master

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    If Disney know the franchise that they have spent their precious millions on, then they ought to be aware that Darth Vader is simply the title awarded to a male named Anakin Skywalker who was successfully seduced by the force. That's all the name Darth Vader is. If they are looking to capitalise on Darth Vader, then they must be looking for expanding on the name and the name alone because the costume which Darth Vader wore was incidental to the events surrounding his descent to the Dark Side. The helmet, mask and cape forms part of his identity, but there is far more to Darth Vader than just the costume. If they are looking to cash in on simply the iconography that formed part of the character, then they have misunderstood the story completely.
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  5. Joe Force Ghost

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    If Darth Vader is in the film, I will know that LFL and Disney have run out of ideas for Star Wars.
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  6. Plebeian Jedi Master

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  7. GoJohnnyGo Jedi Master

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    There is a 100% chance he'll be in there... A 25% chance he'll be the central figure in the ST... JMHO
  8. KED12345 Force Ghost

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    Anakin maybe, but not Darth Vader. I don't know why people are thinking Vader will be in the sequels.
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  9. Pimpsy Jedi Knight

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    Because he's a giant cash grab regardless of continuity?
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  11. ObiAlKenobi Jedi Grand Master

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    I believe he will be in the new movie just because he's Darth Vader (a cash cow). BUT, I hope that it's just in Luke's dreams, visions, etc. I can deal with that if that's all it is. Or something similar in tone to the Luke "fighting himself/fighting a vision of Vader" in the cave in ESB. It can be done right. I just hope it is.
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  12. The Bops Jedi Master

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    I can say, with a straight face, that I will not see it.
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  13. The Bops Jedi Master

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    Any wrestling fans out there?

    This would be Hulk Hogan coming out of retirement again. I don't want to see Darth Vader go down that road. There is no logic to it.
  14. LunarMoth Force Ghost

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    I'd say Ric Flair.


    WOOOOOOOOO!!
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  15. run_luke_run Force Ghost

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    Any of you attempting to support the idea that Vader would appear in the new films due to him being a "cash cow" are not presenting a very influential argument. At all. Star Wars (not Darth Vader) is certainly a cash cow, or in other words, "really well liked". Does every EU book have Vader in it? Does every Star Wars video game have Vader in it? Is he in the Clone Wars? Was in the prequels for more than 30 minutes?

    Please, come up with some other reason, and then we'll talk.
  16. HEDGESMFG Force Ghost

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    Funny thing...

    Darth Vader (not Anakin) appeared in a vision to Cade Skywalker, descendent of Luke, 130+ years after ANH. (in the EU of course) The vision was meant to show what Cade could become if he continued to follow the dark path. If I recall, Anakin chose to face Cade 'as' Vader for this purpose. The EU itself proves the opposite, that Vader CAN appear in Anakin's place if they want him too badly enough, and that it does not need to be a tasteless resurrection. Taken to the extreme, one could even dedicate a full length duel in the vision if they 'really' wanna push the envelope and have Anakin "train" whomever.

    Heck, I'd be all for a dual Vader/Akain force ghost vision. Despite the untold rage it will cause many, I'd find an aged Hayden Christensen reappearing as a ghost to be both amusing and appropriate to bridge the 3 trilogies. (Sorry Sebastian Shaw fans, but if we've already made the change in one trilogy, might as well go all the way with it.)
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  17. I Are The Internets Chosen One

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    He won't come back but his good twin brother Light Vapor might.
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  18. Palpatine2016 Jedi Grand Master

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    So was Darth Maul. :)

    Not saying I like the idea. (I hate it. As well as bringing Maul back.)
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  19. SithLordDarthRichie London CR

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    Maul coming back outside of the movies is a different thing entirely. Plus he had the sort of "death" where you could have brought him back with tech like Greivous (Grevious had his entire body rebuilt and his brain shoved in a metal shell, Maul just had his legs put back on), Vader was electrocuted and had his body burned away which is harder to convincingly come back from.


    I don't have a problem with a plot revolving around a plan to bring Vader back to life (like the Cult of Ragnos tried with the ancient Sith Lord) given how powerful he was, but not physical resurrection. If only to spare us from seeing Hayden again :p
  20. Golden Jedi Knight Jedi Master

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    I actually like the idea of Darth Plagueis somehow being resurrected in Episode VII. This could lead into more revelations about both Palpatine and Vader . . . some events that happened that we didn't already know about. I don't think people would buy into the idea of Palpatine or Vader returning from the dead, but with Plagueis it might work.
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  21. Lee_ Force Ghost

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    Actually, that is nearly as ridiculous, given that it was not merely his legs that got cut off; he was chopped in half around the area of his upper hips, bowels and some vital organs would have been hacked apart. But as you say, they wouldn't be ridiculous enough to bring him back in the movies.

    It would be a huge fail to bring Vader back for a number of reason, especially in polluting the symbolism at the end of ROTJ, where Luke cremates him. That should be a symbol of the end of Vader, the end of the Empire (as we know it) and thus the end of an era in the story; a passing of the Skywalker torch also. It fits nicely that Darth Vader was born by being burned, and was ended by being burned; there was a resounding finality to his death. Bringing him back in any form other than Anakin as a force ghost (briefly) would be a cheap ploy, I think the talented people hired for Epsiode 7 can do better than that. Don't make Anakin/Vader a major part of the story; time to move on.
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  22. Lord Tuvitor Force Ghost

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    Darth Vader will not be seen in Episode VII, except maybe in a flashback (unlikely) or holocron (also unlikely) format. However, Darth Vader ceased to exist the moment he saved his son from Palpatine.

    Anakin Skywalker... well I'm pretty sure there's a reason why Hayden was there for the re-shooting of the force ghost ending of ROTJ. Force ghost Anakin is coming...
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  23. EHT Manager: New Films

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    "Your Vader's dead, son. Accept it."
  24. Darth Lycan Jedi Padawan

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    I agree with this. I think JJ will go in a new direction. If any appearance of DV was made it would be as a flashback imo, but I would welcome seeing Anakin Skywalker as a force ghost.
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  25. Panakas_Dawg Force Ghost

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