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Discussion Does anyone think Darth Vader will *not* be in Episode VII?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Episode VII and Beyond (Archive)' started by MiamiJedi, Jan 26, 2013.

  1. SookMidrub

    SookMidrub Jedi Knight

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    ...or so we were made to think...haha

    But in all seriousness, where do you see Luke in VII? The leader of the new Order? (Which is actually more likely)
     
  2. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    Luke is a pretty mainstream symbol of good. To mainstream audiences, Luke = good, Vader = evil. Nonetheless, I agree that it's fun to think outside the box and speculate.
    The leader of the new order and the mentor. We don't need an ST to see that coming.
     
  3. Darth Chiznuk

    Darth Chiznuk Superninja of New Films star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    I completely understand that. I love to speculate myself and am equally excited for new Star Wars. :) I just hope Disney understands that Luke is as darklordoftech said, "the redeemer, not the redeemed." There are many ways Disney can satisfy the general audience and the hard core fans like us without undermining a crucial message of the films.
     
  4. SookMidrub

    SookMidrub Jedi Knight

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    Very, very well said!
     
  5. Lee_

    Lee_ Jedi Master star 4

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    So, has anyone heard Hayden's 2 cents on the ST? I have heard a lot of these other actors (and many SW actors like S. Jackson, Ewan M., etc.) talk about how they would like to be in the ST, but no word from Hayden.

    I don't know if Hayden is purposefully hiding, or if he is just oblivious to it all on his big farmhouse (that he bought using the $7 million per picture which he was paid for his role in the PT). Anyone got info on Hayden?

    Looks like S. Jackson is having a hard time getting SW info, LOL:
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/enter...238ed6-f19e-11e2-b2e0-0ecd9d3227c0_story.html
     
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  6. Immortiss

    Immortiss Force Ghost star 5

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    I thought the same thing...conspicuously quit.
     
  7. EHT

    EHT Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    "J.J. was there, I was there,” Jackson said in an interview at the Hard Rock Hotel. “I was like (raises eyebrows) and he was like (noncommittal shrug), and he just went about his business. I don’t know what that means. Harrison (Ford) was there too, and he was like (shrug)." [face_laugh]
     
  8. MiamiJedi

    MiamiJedi Jedi Padawan star 1

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    Are any of you aware of the great divide caused amongst Superman fans by the revelation that Man of Steel 2 will feature Batman?
    It is relevant because many see it as an obvious cash grab by WB in 2015 that flies in the face of what many were hoping for MoS2 to be.
    I wonder what the reaction will be here when Disney does the same and announces the return of Darth Vader and the Emperor.
    Point being that the greatest profit is the most important thing behind these movies. The story is secondary.
    Hmmmm....
     
  9. MiamiJedi

    MiamiJedi Jedi Padawan star 1

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    And this would tie in perfectly with what he said to Anakin in Episode III.
     
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  10. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    Do you mean the return of Anakin and the Emperor?
     
  11. Toonimator

    Toonimator Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    But at least with Batman, the 'blatant cash grab' makes some sense. MoS did very well for WB, and although they hadn't really planned for it to really be a "Phase 1 launch" for Justice League the same way the first Iron Man was for Marvel (tho that was in their minds, at least, before the box office numbers rolled in), they figured "Hey, we can spin this into that, easily." It's not the Nolanverse, so Batman doesn't have to be Bale (or Gordon-Levitt). Batman's not 'dead' or retired. And, if MoS really was intended to be open to a shared universe thing despite being an origin story for Supes, it's best to expand that universe ASAP with MoS2--and what better way than with Batman? His ally, his rival, someone who exemplifies the best humanity can offer but is marred by a far more tragic past than what Clark had to go thru (yada yada yada, however you wanna compare/contrast the two). If we're gonna have a dark billionaire in MoS2, better Bruce than Lex, and a better stepping stone to a JL movie.

    Meanwhile, bringing back Vader & the Emperor is nothing more than a blatant cash grab without even the semblance of a plan in place. Bringing back Agent Coulson is one thing... bringing back the dead, burned-to-ashes, turned-into-a-Force-ghost Vader is quite another, likewise the fell-down-an-extremely-tall-tower-and-exploded-in-blue-energy Palpatine is also pushing it. Dark Empire barely got around it, and it was pretty ridiculous even there.
     
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  12. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    Coulsen seemed just as dead as Vader and Palpatine to me. More dead than Palpatine I would say.
     
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  13. Loupgarou

    Loupgarou Jedi Knight star 3

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    No Vader, please. his story is over. The superman thing is way different, it's a different sort of franchise where characters aren't bound to a single continuity the way they are (Supposed to be anyway) with star wars.
     
  14. Toonimator

    Toonimator Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Coulson was unconscious, perhaps. The blood on the cards was faked. He could've been on life-support (apparently we won't really find out for sure until the end of Agents of SHIELD's first season, tho tidbits will drop throughout) and Nick just ANNOUNCED he was dead to help motivate the team. I fully expected, back when I was watching it in the theater and especially when Maria called Fury on the bloody-card lie, that there'd be a scene showing Coulson in a coma or something, still barely alive. Never once thought that about Palpatine... he's falling down an 'abyss' basically, uncontrollably firing lightning, and then there's a big, odd explosion, followed not terribly long after by the whole Death Star exploding. He'd have to recover from his fall, make his way to some OTHER hangar or escape pod, and get out... and there was no hint that happened.
     
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  15. Darth_Articulate

    Darth_Articulate Jedi Master star 4

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    It would be perfect if they just said Luke had dreamt the ending of Return of the Jedi. Remember when Luke closes his eyes after Vader said giving in to the Dark Side "is the only way you can save your friends, blah blah blah"? Well, he wasn't trying to bury his feelings, he was just bored from Vader saying the same kinds of things over and over again. "Here we go with the Dark Side crap for the 800th time, zzzzzz'" thought Luke. So he dreamt of Vader redeeming himself and the Death Star blowing up, and he and his friends smiling together as if they're having their picture taken. But when Episode 7 starts, we see Luke getting drunk that night at the ewok party and sort of relaxing his morals a bit with one of Wicket's sisters and that shocks him awake, back underneath the Emperor's stairwell. And no one is there. Vader and the Emperor had decided to let him sleep on the offer, because the Emperor sensed through the force that the shield generator exploded and had to put his Death Star into hyperdrive. I'm going to copywrite this idea, then offer it to Disney for just 5 mil.
     
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  16. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    One problem: Hamill's age
     
  17. Darth_Articulate

    Darth_Articulate Jedi Master star 4

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    No problem at all. He just wakes up looking like Zac Efron
     
  18. Darth Chiznuk

    Darth Chiznuk Superninja of New Films star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Yeah that's the only problem with that idea. :p
     
  19. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    You made my day. Thanks.
     
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  20. EHT

    EHT Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I think it's safe to say that Batman/Superman/WB does not equal Vader/Palpatine/LFL and Disney. The more relevant comparison is to Marvel and that WB sees how well that open universe has worked for them. Disney and LFL know that wouldn't work for SW.
     
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  21. El Jedi Colombiano

    El Jedi Colombiano Force Ghost star 5

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    Batman and Superman getting together makes sense for a film. However, bringing back a resurrected Palpatine or Vader is the near-worst thing that could happen in the next film. Anakin as a Force Ghost would be nice though.
     
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  22. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    One of the lessons of "The Tragedy of Darth Plagueis The Wise" is not to teach your apprentice everything you know. I wouldn't be surprised if there's something(s) that Palpatine didn't teach Vader.
     
  23. Immortiss

    Immortiss Force Ghost star 5

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    Or, that Plagueis did't teach Palpatine.
     
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  24. Darth Chiznuk

    Darth Chiznuk Superninja of New Films star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    I bet it's how to tie a cherry stem with your tongue. That secretive ******* would never give up that one (not that Darth Vader would put it to much use.) :p
     
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  25. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    that too