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Rogue One Does Rogue One "improve" with multiple viewings?

Discussion in 'Rogue One: A Star Wars Story' started by Unkar's Muffins, Dec 21, 2016.

  1. Gigoran Monk Jedi Grand Master

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    I never expected characters in a new Star Wars film to be better than the OT3. I considered it impossible. I also never thought that ESB and ANH would be toppled from the pedestal they've been on for most of my life. Then a director I didn't have a lot of faith in came along and quietly did exactly that with Rogue One. I'm still reeling from it, to be honest. An entirely unexpected coup.
  2. ezekiel22x Force Ghost

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    Sadly it's the first Star Wars movie that I enjoyed less on a second viewing. I just don't find the characters very engaging--certainly didn't connect with me on an emotional level--and the action scenes are rather bland. Some design work with the settings still stuck out as nicely imaginative, though, but it wasn't enough to keep my attention throughout the entirety of a second viewing.
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  3. Master_Lok Jedi Grand Master

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    I liked it a little more on third pass, but Forest and now Felicity got on my nerves. When Jyn takes action; I still like her, otherwise no (she stopped scenes dead when she went into speech mode.) Saw's character...wasn't a fan from the first screening. I do like Chirrut and Baze now though (which is good because I wanted to like them.) Something still feels off though and I cannot pinpoint what that may be.
  4. darthOB1 Jedi Grand Master

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    The law of diminishing return does not apply to this flick!
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  5. Axrendale Jedi Padawan

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    It does. I rather liked Rogue One the first time I saw it, but then later became somewhat disenchanted by it. For a while I even argued against those who defended it - I believed it was an interesting but not altogether successful experiment in the Star Wars film canon.

    Then, last month, I rewatched it for the first time since 2016, and was absolutely astonished by the degree to which I was freshly bowled over with how good it is at what it does. I had to rewatch it again almost immediately to affirm my impression that I had earlier somehow completely failed to appreciate the potency of its strong points. And my new impression held up.

    As a R1 convert, I now rank it as the third best Star Wars movie released to date. It's behind ESB and ANH, but ahead of RoTJ and TFA, and far ahead of the prequels.
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  6. Doodleshmoo Jedi Knight

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    The movie does tend to elucidate many subtleties with multiple viewings. Tarkin is a mind blowing villain in the film. Once I got over the initial shock of seeing the digital renderings of other OT characters, the film settles into a less jarring experience.

    You see that the Empire is concerned with a show of force more than it is with anything else. You may remember that Director Krennic is impressed with the beauty of the Death Star only after the weapon is used for the first time. It's as if he had been putting together a puzzle and the last piece finally fell into place. Which is not good considering his puzzle is a super laser called a 'Death Star'.

    The Rebellion is also shown to have a mean streak. You see Cassian shoot the messenger at the trading outpost and then you have Rebellion leadership telling Cassian to kill Galen while under the auspice of a rescue mission.

    The movie also provides a reliable presentation of the Force without directly referring to concepts explored in the other SW films. I liken this to the experience of watching Star Wars or the OT as a whole for the first time. The Force is presented simultaneously as a mystical concept yet utterly simple to grasp.

    In actuality, Rogue One changes the OT. The thread is Vader. Upon revisiting ESB in the wake of Rogue One, its becomes obvious that Vader is indeed getting stronger as the OT progresses. With Vader becoming more powerful as time passes, it becomes imperative that anybody must stop him. With this in mind, Luke is then essentially played as a patsy.

    The preceding are a few of the things this movie has shown to me upon subsequent viewings. If I didn't make it abundantly noticeable above, I really like this movie and it keeps getting better whether or not I'm looking for something new.
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  7. ewoksimon Jedi Master

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    Most of my instincts after a first viewing tend to be validated on repeat viewings, unless there's some glaring element that I didn't fully digest. In this case, the first act of Rogue One is still pretty choppy, but easier to acclimate to on subsequent viewings. The films settles nicely once Jyn, Cassian and K-2 arrive on Jedha. Eadu is a bit of an obligatory mixed bag, and Jyn's motivation in its aftermath is difficult to reconcile. The Battle of Scarif is one of the best orchestrated set pieces in the saga, although surprisingly the thread of Jyn and Cassian stealing the plans feels the least tense. Broadly, some characters are better fleshed out than others, so some deaths carry more significance through setups and payoffs, while others just happen. Ultimately, I still enjoy the film very much for its world building, scale and nicely staged baton pass to ANH.
  8. A Chorus of Disapproval A Porg of Disapproval

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    The content of the first 2/3 could literally change and grow worse with each viewing and I will still only consider it bonus content preceding the space battle above Scarif.
  9. redxavier Jedi Grand Master

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    The space battle has suffered with repeat viewings, mainly because I want more of it but also because I don't think the pieces we have flow very well (eg, I can't tell who is winning or losing until the Y-wing attack) and there's not nearly enough dogfighting action (eg, I don't think a single TIE is shot down by an X-wing above the shield gate) or general ship movement (everyone just stays in place except the Hammerhead, which slightly ludicrously appears from behind the Star Destroyers).

    My favourite part of the film is Cassian in the rain, looking through his scope, and I think Eadu is probably the strongest section of the film.
  10. Gigoran Monk Jedi Grand Master

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    My favorite segments of the film are the prologue, Cassian's intro, Jedha, and the final stages of the Scarif battle (when the deaths start happening and Raddus up his game) right up until the end of the film. But I love everything else in it as well. I like TFA a lot, but to me, it just doesn't come close to Rogue One.
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  11. Outsourced Jedi Knight

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    I think it's a great movie with a lot of great little thing for repeated viewings.

    For instance, I didn't know one of the Scarif team yelled 'Karabast' until a re-watch with Subtitles.
  12. Jakethewhitt02 Jedi Youngling

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    This would be my biggest example of a movie that improves the more you watch. I cannot say it enough.
  13. mirrorbright Jedi Padawan

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    I would say so, yes (after seeing it 5 times). Especially noticing some things I haven't before. And it's still in my top 3 SW movies (actually, favorite next to TESB).
  14. williamjj666 Jedi Padawan

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    Its a good movie..watched it only once as pay per-view. the one thing i disliked about the movie is that the end felt too rushed, like they were in a hurry to kill every one off..u wont feel anything when they all die because it felt too rushed. When u can't connect, or feel anything to the death of the main characters in the movie, that is a serious flaw. The climax which should have been epic is the weakest part of the movie.
  15. Sarge Chosen One

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    I reacted something like that the first time I saw it. If you watch it again, get to know the characters better, connect with them more deeply, the climax becomes more powerful and emotional. I wouldn't be surprised if you like it better the next time you watch it.
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  16. my kind of scum Jedi Grand Master

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    I just cannot stop watching this film. Every time I feel like throwing in a Star Wars movie, I think about one or two others but I always end up putting in Rogue One again. I rewatched TFA for the first time in a long time last week (my daughter really wanted to see it after the Last Jedi trailer) and I was surprised at how I felt about it. I thought that TFA was a fun movie with really good characters (and some pretty big issues that didn't ruin the film). After repeatedly watching Rogue One, I somehow like TFA much less. It's not exactly that it is diminished - it's just that I see the set design, world building, pacing, etc of Rogue One and feel like we could have had something really special in TFA.

    If the movies going forward hit the quality level of TFA, I will continue to enjoy them. But I really hope that some can reach the heights of R1. I am continually shocked by how well it holds up for me.

    Just my personal opinion, but for me this one just gets better and better.
  17. A Corpse of Disapproval Mod-a-rotter

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    This post embodies my view, entirely. Even so far as including my daughter wanting to revisit the film last week.
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  18. Pro Scoundrel New Films Lawgiver & Casual Flyer

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    Total agreement.
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  19. AndyLGR Jedi Master

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    I feel the same about RO, big plus factors that keep me returning are worlds like the Ring of Kafrene, Jedha and Scariff plus things like the battles and characters like Tarkin, Vader, K2, Jyn, Krennic & Cassian. Before I saw RO I hoped it would offer more because of its nature as a standalone film and I'm glad I feel proven right about that.
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  20. Jim Smith Jedi Padawan

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    I just don't see how the characters in The Force Awakens are any better than the characters of Rogue One. Jyn Erso is way more likable and endearing than the uptight Rey.
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