?Dollhouse? Joss Whedon's recent series

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  1. ThrawnRocks Jedi Master

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    !!!!!

    Best. Episode. Ever.


    Unfortunately, I was so happy because of Alan Tudyk that I don't think I was able to fully appreciate him as Alpha. I guess I'll just have to watch it again.

    It wasn't completely unexpected. I had heard the rumors that he was Alpha, Alpha was being built up as a big reveal, and the possibility came to mind several times throughout the episode, but still the instant change over was awesome and made me simultaneously go "Oh, crap" and squee for joy.

    I recall that when the trailer for 3:10 to Yuma came out Joss momentarily thought that the evil badass gunslinger Charlie was being played by Tudyk. Then Joss realized his mistake but noted how great Tudyk would be as a raging psychopath. So glad we have the opportunity, however brief it may end up being, to see that. Ending threw me for a spin as well.
  2. Raven Administrator Emeritus

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    "There were people fighting on me!"

    And the doctor is a Doll, named Whiskey. I guess that explains why no one bothers to read her reports.

    And the personality downloaded into Echo, is that the real her or is that someone else?

    And will Ballard become a Doll?

    It's a shame that this show is likely dead.
  3. ThrawnRocks Jedi Master

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    Agreed.


    Also, Enver Gjokaj did a perfect Dominic impression. That part was awesome.

    And I really enjoyed when Paul saw Victor and realized that the world around him is fake. Everything has either been the Dollhouse or Alpha manipulating him.


    EDIT: Also, I'm glad that we finally had Boyd and Paul meet up before the show ends. They've always been the "moral characters" with the one huge difference of Boyd works=ing for the Dollhouse.
  4. gonzoforce Jedi Master

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    Fox renews Dollhouse for 13 episodes, I'm shocked that they did this.

    And think about this, the first season of Buffy wasn't that great either and only ran 13 episodes and only had 2 truly great episodes, The Puppet Master and Prophecy Girl. Buffy didn't become great until season 2, here's hoping Dollhouse follows Buffy's way.
  5. Jedi_Reject_Jesse Jedi Master

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    I am shocked by the decision, and in a good way. At last the suits are looking beyond the tv ratings to the dvr numbers and online video crowd. This could be the beginning of a pleasant trend that gives struggling shows more of a chance. Hope it works for Chuck.
  6. Jedi_Keiran_Halcyon Jedi Knight

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    I'm really enjoying this show, but if FOX renews Dollhouse but not Terminator I'm going to be very upset.

    I mean, for the first six or seven episodes I wasn't watching Dollhouse for any reason other than because it was on after Terminator and I figured, "Might as well."
  7. Excellence Jedi Knight

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    Why is he doing this and not more Serenity? Reavers take him...
  8. Rebel_Padawan Jedi Master

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    So there is at least a 30 second preview of 'Epitaph One' floating on the net (potentially even more than 30 seconds in some places), though the episode is apparently being premièred at ComicCon.

    Seems like a big mind-bending episode, can't wait to get a chance to see it on the DVD release...

    Apparently it has been said that Epitaph One in terms of direction and style will reflect more of the direction in which season 2 will take. Make of that what you will...
  9. Dingo Jedi Grand Master

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    If Epitaph One is the direction the series is taking, bring on Season 2.
  10. Rebel_Padawan Jedi Master

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    So I have seen Epitaph One, it was decent, kinda a little confusing, but an interesting place to take the show!

    In other news Jamie Bamber is apparently set to make an appearance in the first episode of season 2
  11. Galactica Jedi Youngling

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    "And they burned the house down..."

    Wow. Epitath One was in one word Awesome I only hope that we can get throuh enough series to get to this future, or at least see more of it. I demand more Felica Day hotness! The little girl played the part well, took me ages to work out what she had been in before I realised it was Molly from Heroes! Overall really impressed with this episode, easily my favourite. I don't think I have anything bad to say about this episode, unusual for Dollhouse, the following contains some spoilers HTR...

    - The lack of titles at the start of this episode were really effective, completely sold the atmosphere.
    - Topher. Freaky at the end, but I guess he felt a bit like J. Robert Oppenheimer, or Miles Dyson. My appreciation for Fran Kranz grows more and more.
    - The final scene, of post-apocalyptic LA, along with the song playing in the background (Any idea what it was?) Were a perfect way to end the series
    - If this is the way forward for Dollhouse, I don;t see any problem with ratings!
  12. darth-sinister Manager Emeritus

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    Because no one outside the cast and crew wants to do it. You have to have money and a place to show it. Fox and Universal aren't interested in funding more. All you're going to get are some comics.
  13. TIEPilot051999 Jedi Master

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    Well, if it stays in the Friday 9PM slot...[/color]
  14. gonzoforce Jedi Master

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    just remember, Buffy didn't become the show that it did, until season 2. Season 1 was much like Dollhouse's season 1, some decent episodes mixed in with some great ones. It wasn't until Prophecy Girl and season 2 did the show really hit's stride. I think Season 2 of Dollhouse is going to be great.
  15. DewbackRider88 Jedi Padawan

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    I got the DVD last week and I love the show, its actually become something I consider a 'fandom' now.

    But, and judging by the reactions on here im the only one, I didnt like 'Epitah One'. I spent 12 episodes getting into these awesome characters and story-lines only to have it totally change for the last episode.

    Now the UK dvd says nothing about it being an unaired episode (only the original pilot is labelled that way) so I watched it as just episode 13, thinking it would be an actual season finale not a 'series' finale. It gave me the sense that they went that way with it to wrap things up incase they got cancelled and they couldnt give us actual closure.

    Here's hoping season 2 is like the first 12 episodes of season 1, with the characters and arcs I like.
  16. Raven Administrator Emeritus

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    Season 2 has started off strong. Or at least, the first ten minutes has made a good impression. So far, Helo has stood around looking serious and concerned, Apollo has gotten married to Echo, and a Topher/Saunders plotline is getting really interesting. Now that she's aware that she's a Doll, Dr. Saunders has gotten really, really interesting.

    WTB Colonel Tigh on this show, and maybe a cute Terminator. Heh.
  17. Bill-Thompson Jedi Youngling

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    This was a meh episode, the Saunders/Topher stuff was great, the Ballard/Echo stuff was really, really bad. It's gotten to the point where I want Ballard off of the show, he's just not a good actor at all.
  18. Rebel_Padawan Jedi Master

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    2 episodes in to season 2 and so far they have been solid episodes, but nothing spectacular...
  19. TIEPilot051999 Jedi Master

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    Over at Fox it?s bad news for Joss Whedon and his freshman series Dollhouse. According to Entertainment Weekly, the network is benching the Friday night show during Sweeps thanks to the low ratings. The series will return in December with back-to-back episodes, but anything more than the original 13-episode pickup is pretty slim at this point.

    Translation: the series has pretty much been cancelled.


    http://tvguide.ca/TVNews/Articles/091022_vampire_diaries_pickups_AD.htm

    Cancelled in every way but name. I've been expecting this since the end of Season 1. Quite surprised it got a second season, actually. Knowing Joss row with Fox over Firefly, I really don't know why he expected things to be different this time 'round.

  20. Raven Administrator Emeritus

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    The Vampire Diaries? Seriously? The story that makes Twilight look like Shakespeare has its own show? Seriously?


    This world is doomed.
  21. Ambassador Cara Jade Jedi Knight

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    It makes me sad, cuz I've tried twice, I just can't get into this show. I love all things Joss Whedon, but for some reason Dollhouse just doesn't do it for me. I guess if it's being cancelled I won't bend over backwards to watch the rest of the first season.

    Another one bites the dust.
    :(

  22. Dingo Jedi Grand Master

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    Last night's episode was interesting. More set-ups for what we know is to come, and tying up some loose ends from last season.
  23. saturn5 Jedi Padawan

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    Just working my way through season 1. What occurs to me;

    1. Clearly see the influence of Buffy/Angel. Adele is very Lilah, Topher is very Knox, Reed Diamond's character very Hamilton, even the set reminds me of WR&H (and the sleep chambers VERY Alien). Some storylines the same too, adults reduced to acting like children (Band Candy), everyone loses their memory (Spin the Bottle), psycho hunter pursues girl through the woods (Homecoming), little girl traumatised by being kidnapped and abused by serial killer (Damage) etc. Nice to spot the cameos too, the guy who plays the Valet in The Trial in the Beyonce episode for instance. Helo's sparring partner is the 'walking action figure' Spike fights to get his soul back. They even use the phrase Tabula Rusa in one ep ('blank slate')

    2. A lot of people think it's stupid that the Dolls are all volunteers (or were at least blackmailed into signing on). I don't because it adds moral ambiguity, if they were slaves then the Dollhouse would be out and out evil. As it is we feel sympathy with the workers, Adele and Topher showing their vulnerability and loneliness, Adele hiring Victor to romance her, Topher programming Sierra as his perfect, beautiful geek girlfriend for his birthday. You also understand why November signed on, the death of her daughter too much to bear (did she kill her?) and Victor having committed some form of war crime. Anyone want to bet me that Alpha is Caroline's boyfriend we see shot during their break in at the science lab?

    3. Quite shocked that the prostitution aspect is so blatant. I mean I expected it to feature but like the Holodeck in Star Trek I thought they'd leave it ambiguous as to whether people used it to have sex. But no, it's right out there. A common feature of adult fanfic is any and all of the Buffy/Angel girls turning to prostitution at some stage, normally when Buffy needs to support herself in LA btween seasons 2/3 or when she and Dawn are strapped for cash in season 6 or Kate Lochley after she get's fired by the LAPD ("Buffy the Streetwalking Hooker" http://buffy.adultfanfiction.net/story.php?no=600031116 if you're over 18 and VERY open minded) I always thought Joss would be shocked by such stories but judging by this probably not. At least though it's not sexist, both males and females equally.

    4. Eliza Dushku as a whip-cracking dominatrix!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bet they aired THAT scene in the advertisements for the show during sweeps week! You just wonder about writers sitting around thinking "What sexy outfit can we put Echo into this week?". Anyone want to bet me that we see her as naughty nurse/sexy stewardess/hot cop/nubile Girl Scout/'Britney' style schoolgirl through the course of the series? Harmless enough titillation but what's a little more disturbing is Ballard discovering November is a doll then engaging in some extremely violent and forceful sex with her, bordering on rape (like Angel and Darla at the end of season 2 of Angel). Afterwards she tells him she really enjoyed herself but doesn't want it to be this way between them all the time. Jeez, even the heroes are pretty dark in this series! Another thing i find creepy is when the Dolls don't have there personalities implanted, they just act like stoned children or something

    5. So what is the Dollhouse's hidden agenda? I figure it's to take over the world but not in a Bond villain way, I figure they want to use mind control to erradicate evil etc much like Jasmine in Angel season 4. Of course this can't end well

    I like this series and hope it continues. What it lacks for me however is the great dialogue we've come to expect from Joss' shows and that sense of family and teamwork we got from the Sunnydale Scoobs and Angel Investigations. Needs more humour too although I do like the 'PORN!' line and the dominatrix jokes. Really it's a case of 'Shows great potential but must do better'.
  24. rumsmuggler Jedi Grand Master

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    Dollhouse is cancelled. Whedon shows can't seem to catch a break.

    http://tv.ign.com/articles/104/1044417p1.html
  25. Rebel_Padawan Jedi Master

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    It was kinda inevitable though :_|
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