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Dooku = Saruman. It's so obvious!

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by Mr. P, Apr 5, 2005.

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  1. Mr. P

    Mr. P FanFic Archive Editor, Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

    Apr 1, 2000
    Just kidding. Well, sort of. I mean, they are played by the same guy, yeah, but I mean in terms of their character flaws. Someone in another thread pointed out how he felt that Dooku was really just trying to help the galaxy out, and then someone else pointed out that he was a sith. Duh. Well, here's my thought: it's probably not on purpose, but the characters of Dooku and Saruman are a LOT alike. Maybe he's more like gandalf, but turned bad. I guess that's saruman.

    Anyway- the reason why I think this is that they all have good intentions to start out with. Saruman wants to default sauron, dooku wants to save the republic. Saruman wants to use the powers of evil to do it (i.e. orcs, etc.) while Dooku uses the dark side. The way it ties into Gandalf is that, when Frodo offers him the ring (in the beginning of the Fellowship of the Ring), he says that the way to his heart would be "pity" (or something like that). What he meant was that he would use the evil power of the ring to heal the hurts of the world, but in the end it would get the better of him.

    So maybe Dooku was really trying to fix things at the beginning, before he truly fell to the Dark Side (TM). Sort of like saruman.

    Please keep this thread spoiler-free (that includes stuff released from the official site). thanks! :)

    Mr. P
  2. Delta_62

    Delta_62 Jedi Youngling star 4

    Mar 20, 2005
    That's great.
  3. TheMasterOfPuppets

    TheMasterOfPuppets Jedi Youngling

    Apr 1, 2005
    just something i've noticed....
    before the clonetroopers gets to the arena, dooku speaks to mace and says:
    "surrender... and your life will be spared"
    now in the extended edition of LOTR ROTK when he is on top of that tower isengard with grima,
    gandalf tells him the same:
    "surrender... and your life will be spared"
  4. Genrader

    Genrader Jedi Youngling star 3

    Sep 12, 2003
    Saruman didn't want to get rid of Sauron so there wouldn't be evil, he was trying to find the One Ring all for himself :p
  5. MariahJSkywalker

    MariahJSkywalker Poopoo Head star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

    Mar 11, 2005
    The are alot similarities between the characters. I never of it before, thanks for bringing it up.
  6. DarthWolvo23

    DarthWolvo23 Jedi Master star 4

    Jan 30, 2005
    also they both believed that dark times were coming and so quickly tried to ally themselves with the power they thought would take over (this is apparent in dooku's case from reading labyrinth of evil).
  7. DarthNotsonice

    DarthNotsonice Jedi Master star 5

    Apr 6, 2005
    One major difference though is that Saruman and Sauron
    were the same kind of creature,Both were Maiar Spirits
    Saruman was confined to a body of flesh,But if he wanted to he and Sauron would have been fairly
    equally matched in powers.

  8. Lars_Muul

    Lars_Muul Jedi Grand Master star 6

    Oct 2, 2000
    That's no difference. Dooku and Sidious are also the same kind of creature.

  9. DarthNotsonice

    DarthNotsonice Jedi Master star 5

    Apr 6, 2005
    But Dooku was not as highly trained,and therefore nOt
    as poweful as Palpatine.

    [hl=darkslategray]Strilo[/hl] edit: Spoilers are NOT allowed here.

    Dooku to become the Master would have had to destroy Sidious.

    If he were able to do,he surely would have done so without plunging
    the Galaxy into war and A Totalitarian Dictatorship.

    A battle between Saruman and Sauron would have gone
    much like Mithrandir's struggle against Durin's Bane,
    had he not called upon the Elemental powers of Iluvatar
    they would have battled to an empasse.
  10. Magic_Al

    Magic_Al Jedi Youngling star 3

    Sep 18, 2003
    Lucas gets Christopher Lee in a movie and names him Count D. Hmm...

    Lee sure didn't like Yoda fang joke did he?
  11. jangoisadrunk

    jangoisadrunk Jedi Padawan star 4

    Mar 7, 2005
    Wow, a spoiler.
    *leaves board, shakes head*
  12. Gemini9857

    Gemini9857 Jedi Youngling star 1

    Apr 5, 2005
    My 2 favorite movies mushed together! (SW is a bit better than LOTR)
  13. Strilo

    Strilo Manager Emeritus star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

    Aug 6, 2001
    General warning: Do not post ROTS spoilers in this forum under any circumstances, unless it is in the dedicated spoilers thread. If you see a spoiler, PM a mod IMMEDIATELY.

  14. Bacon164

    Bacon164 Jedi Grand Master star 7

    Mar 22, 2005
    Oooh! My favorite movies mushed together!
  15. ThrawnRocks

    ThrawnRocks Jedi Master star 6

    Apr 10, 2004
    Very true. I've noticed this before, and have heared that in fact, GL was unfluenced a lot by LOTR. :)

    FORCE-WIELDER1 Jedi Master star 5

    Nov 8, 2004
    Trippy and cool.
  17. LandoSystem1138

    LandoSystem1138 Jedi Padawan star 4

    Jan 22, 2005
    I think he's more like Scaramanga in the Man with the Golden Gun.

    Saruman:"It would seem this contest cannot be decided with our knowledge of the Force, but with gimmicks we took from other roles." *tosses staff and pulls out red lightsaber & golden gun

    Gandalf: *puts Magento helmet on "You should have killed me when you had the chance Saruman!"

  18. Lars_Muul

    Lars_Muul Jedi Grand Master star 6

    Oct 2, 2000

    Ian McKellen rules
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