Draftmania: The Wrestling Draft - winner: Shadow_of_Durron

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  1. Shadow_of_Durron Jedi Grand Master

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    Alrighty, then. Well, I've been going back and forth numerous times on this pick. I'm looking at three possibles here. But in the end, I think I'm gonna stick with the person I almost picked in the 1st round. I won't get any real established cohesion here like I would with the second of my possible choices, and the potential for insanely awesome imaginary pre-match interviews that I'd get with the third choice won't quite be there, but yeah, whatever.

    Gotta go with my main man, Kurt Angle.


    *man, deciding on a team name is tough for this one*


    Ric Flair

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    Kurt Angle

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  2. EmpireForever Force Ghost

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    Round 1 -

    1. Talon_Kenobi - Bret Hart
    2. Jaina_and_Jag - Shawn Michaels
    3. The_Loyal_Imperial - Undertaker
    4. Shurron - Ric Flair
    5. YGJ - Brock Lesnar
    6. captain-fantastic - Hulk Hogan
    7. BartSimpson-SithLord/BaSSiL - Andre The Giant
    8. Inty - Sting

    Round 2 -

    1. Inty - Bruno Sammartino
    2. Bartyslartfast - Macho Man Randy Savage
    3. Cap-Fan - Steve Austin
    4. YGJ - Rey Mysterio
    5. Sharon - Kurt Angle
    6. TLI - On the clock
    7. JJ
    8. Talobi
  3. The Loyal Imperial Manager Emeritus

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    Hnnh, I was hoping one of those guys would slip to me, so instead I'll go with...

    John Cena.
  4. Goddess-Jaina-Redick Force Ghost

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  5. Tyi-Maet_Nefer Force Ghost

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    Well, it looks like I'll be going for Inty's team because he picked the one wrestler I really know of. :p
  6. MandaloreYak Force Ghost

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  7. Ultima_1 Jedi Grand Master

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    I'm back in town now and will try to post breakdowns after the second round.

    A few guys I'm surprised haven't been picked up yet.
  8. EmpireForever Force Ghost

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    Round 1 -

    1. Talon_Kenobi - Bret Hart
    2. Jaina_and_Jag - Shawn Michaels
    3. The_Loyal_Imperial - Undertaker
    4. Shurron - Ric Flair
    5. YGJ - Brock Lesnar
    6. captain-fantastic - Hulk Hogan
    7. BartSimpson-SithLord/BaSSiL - Andre The Giant
    8. Inty - Sting

    Round 2 -

    1. Inty - Bruno Sammartino
    2. Bartyslartfast - Macho Man Randy Savage
    3. Cap-Fan - Steve Austin
    4. YGJ - Rey Mysterio
    5. Sharon - Kurt Angle
    6. TLI - John Cena
    7. JJ - The Rock
    8. Talobi - On the Clock

    Round 3 -

    1. Talon_Kenobi - On The Clock
    2. Jaina_and_Jag -
    3. The_Loyal_Imperial -
    4. Shurron -
    5. YGJ -
    6. captain-fantastic -
    7. BartSimpson-SithLord/BaSSiL -
    8. Inty -

    The Draft List

    A J Styles
    Aarn Anderson
    Abyss
    Al Snow
    Alex Shelley
    Animal
    Balls Mahoney
    Bam Bam Bigelow
    Barry Windham
    Batista
    Big Boss Man
    Big Show
    Billy Graham
    Billy Gunn
    Billy Kidman
    Bob Backlund
    Bobby Lashley
    Booker T
    British Bulldog
    Buff Bagwell
    Buh Buh Ray Dudley
    C M Punk
    Charlie Haas
    Chavo Guerrero
    Chris Benoit
    Chris Harris
    Chris Jericho
    Chris Sabin
    Christian
    Christopher Daniels
    Crash Holly
    D?Lo Brown
    Dean Malenko
    Diamond Dallas Paige
    Disco Inferno
    Dusty Rhodes
    D-Von Dudley
    Eddie Guerrero
    Edge
    Faarooq
    Finlay
    Goldberg
    Goldust
    Gregory Helms
    Hacksaw Jim Duggan
    Hardcore Holly
    Harley Race
    Hawk
    Hernandez
    Homicide
    Honky Tonk Man
    Iron Sheik
    Jake Roberts
    Jay Lethal
    Jeff Hardy
    Jeff Jarrett
    Jesse James
    Jim Neidhart
    Jimmy Snuka
    Joey Mercury
    John Bradshaw Layfield
    John Morrison
    Johnny Devine
    Junkyard Dog
    Jushin Liger
    Justin Credible
    Juventud
    Kamala
    Kane
    Kaz
    Ken Shamrock
    Kevin Nash
    Kid Kash
    Koko B Ware
    La Parka
    Lance Storm
    Lex Luger
    Mark Henry
    Marty Jannetty
    Matt Hardy
    Meng
    Mick Foley
    Mr. Kennedy
    Mr. Perfect
    MVP
    Nikolai Volkoff
    Owen Hart
    Papa Shango
    Paul London
    Pedro Morales
    Perry Saturn
    Petey Williams
    Psichosis
    Psycho Sid
    Raven
    Razor Ramon
    Rhyno
    Rick Steiner
    Ricky Steamboat
    Rikishi
    Rob Can Dam
    Robert Roode
    Rowdy Roddy Piper
    Sabu
    Samoa Joe
    Sanjay Dutt
    Scott Steiner
    Sgt. Slaughter
    Shannon Moore
    Shark Boy
    Shelton Benjamin
    Steve Austin
    Steve Blackman
    Stevie Ray
    Stevie Richards
    Super Calo
    Super Crazy
    Tajiri
    Taka Michinoku
    Tatanka
    Tazz
    Ted DiBiase
    Terry Funk
    Test
    The Cat
    The Miz
    The Sandman
    Tomko
    Tommy Dreamer
    Triple H
    Ultimate Warrior
    Ultimo Dragon
    Vader
    William Regal
    X-Pac
    Yokozuna
    Brian Kendrick

    Women
    Angelina Love
    Awesome Kong
    Beth Phoenix
    Candice Michelle
    Christy Hemme
    Chyna
    Debra
    Fabulous Moolah
    Gail Kim
    Ivory
    Jacqueline
    Jazz
    Lita
    Luna
    Mae Young
    Medusa
    Melina
    Michelle McCool
    Mickie James
    Miss Elizabeth
    Molly Holly
    ODB
    Roxxi Leveaux
    Sable
    Sensational Sherry
    Stacy Keibler
    Stephanie McMahon
    Torrie
    Torrie Wilson
    Traci Brooks
    Trish Stratus
    Velvet Sky
    Victoria

    Managers
    Bobby Heenan
    Eric Bischoff
    Jimmy Hart
    Jonathan Coachman
    Mr. Fugi
    Paul Bearer
    Paul Heyman
    Shane McMahon
    Theodore Long
    Vince McMahon
    Adnan Al-Kaissie
    Captain Lou Albano
    Larry Hennig
    Paul Heyman
    Larry Zbyszko
    Jim Ross


    And here's the list of available match types for prep, just to keep them in mind while you draft.

    Iron Man
    Steel Cage
    TLC
    Ladder
    Hell in the Cell
    Buried Alive
    Casket
    Hardcore
    Street Fight
    Submission
    First Blood
  9. Talon_Kenobi Force Ghost

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  10. EmpireForever Force Ghost

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    Juventud
    Kamala
    Kane
    Kaz
    Ken Shamrock
    Kevin Nash
    Kid Kash
    Koko B Ware
    La Parka


    Round 2 -

    1. Inty - Bruno Sammartino
    2. Bartyslartfast - Macho Man Randy Savage
    3. Cap-Fan - Steve Austin
    4. YGJ - Rey Mysterio
    5. Sharon - Kurt Angle
    6. TLI - John Cena
    7. JJ - The Rock
    8. Talobi - On the Clock


    Try again.
  11. Talon_Kenobi Force Ghost

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    Well if you guys must know...it's all about the game and how you play it!

    Triple H
    Chris Benoit
  12. Goddess-Jaina-Redick Force Ghost

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    You suck! I was gonna pick Trips next. :(

    My pick: Chris Jericho
  13. MandaloreYak Force Ghost

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    A lil somethin to pass the time.

    1. Talon_Kenobi - Bret Hart, Triple H
    Well, Hart is great and so is HHH. Individually I like them. Together they?ll either be really good or really not get along. Probably the former. And great strategists as well, solid on indys and team.
    2. Jaina_and_Jag - Shawn Michaels, The Rock
    Average duo for this time in the draft. HBK loves himself just a little too much for my taste in teams, but that?s neither here nor there.
    3. The_Loyal_Imperial ? Undertaker, John Cena
    Great individuals, Taker obviously and Cena doesn?t lose. They won?t get in each other?s way in teams, but it?s not like they?ll be pulling off combos either.
    4. Shurron - Ric Flair, Kurt Angle
    Well looks like technique is the name of the game with this team. A lot of ego but I think these guys will get along. Indy-wise, perhaps the two best submitters in history, but I think something?s missing?
    5. YGJ - Brock Lesnar, Rey Mysterio
    Well you got various attacks covered, but Mysterio definitely could have waited. That?s about it.
    6. captain-fantastic - Hulk Hogan, Steve Austin
    I dunno how well these two will get along, honestly. They?ll win tons of matches in indys though. Tons.
    7. BartSimpson-SithLord/BaSSiL - Andre The Giant, Randy Savage
    A solid two here. Giant is all sorts of beast, and Savage is good but not great there. Teams could be interesting, cause I dunno if Giant gets along with Savage.
    8. Inty ? Sting, Bruno Sammartino
    Really I have to look up Bruno but I think I?ll like what I see. Sting though, could definitely have gone later. But I?m pretty sure they?ll be good in teams.
  14. Ultima_1 Jedi Grand Master

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    And here are the promised breakdowns

    Talon_Kenobi
    Bret Hart
    While Bret may not have been as flashy as some wrestlers, it's hard to argue that he wasn't one of the best wrestlers of all time. Solid first pick.

    Triple H
    While I personally don't like him very much, Triple H is a steal as a late second-rounder. He has been a champion more than 10 times and has feuded with most of the big names out there.

    Team
    While these guys are individually good picks, their cohesion is not very good (both in real life because of Montreal and kayfabe because of the Hart Foundation/DX feud). Depending on how you go with later picks, this could become less of an issue, but it is something to watch for.

    Jaina_and_Jag
    Shawn Michaels
    Obvious first-round pick. It's amazing that after being retired for several years because of his bad back, he was able to come back and be better than ever.

    The Rock
    Rock is a good second round pick based on his accomplishments. He isn't in the top half as far as experience, but being a third generation wrestler means that he started learning at a young age, so he has a decent level of skill.

    Team
    No major positives or negatives as far as cohesion that I can see.

    The_Loyal_Imperial
    Undertaker
    Undertaker has more experience than most of the rest of the field and can take a lot of punishment. Good first round pick.

    John Cena
    Cena has shown that he is capable of overcoming the odds. Another pick that I am not as entertained by, but a decent second-rounder based on his accomplishments.

    Team
    They both teamed and feuded early in Cena's career. I think that now that Cena is more seasoned than he was at the time, they won't have any problems working together.

    Shurron
    Ric Flair
    His legacy speaks for itself. He was a 16-21 time world champion (depending on who you listen to) and he was around for longer than almost anyone in the draft.

    Kurt Angle
    Probably a steal in the second round. He doesn't have the longevity of some of the others out there, but he's had great successes for his time in the business.

    Team
    These guys are very dangerous as a team. Both go after their opponent's legs to set up their finishers. No real interactions, but they wouldn't have any problems that I can see.

    YGJ
    Brock Lesnar
    I think Brock was the weakest of the first round draft picks. While he was good in his time in wrestling, he didn't have near the longevity of the others. I could see him winning a fair share of matches, but there were plenty of better picks out there.

    Rey Mysterio
    Taken in his prime, Rey is a passable second-rounder. While his win-loss record isn't as impressive as some, he is perfectly capable of beating larger men.

    Team
    No major cohesion defects, but no real connections either. They have very different game plans, which could either make things difficult for an opponent or cause them to get in each other's way. Cohesion will depend on where you go from here.

    captain-fantastic
    Hulk Hogan
    I think Hogan is an overhyped gasbag, but his impact on wrestling is undeniable. Being taken in his prime rather than as he is now will be a big boost for him. He has a good amount of accomplishments and was around for a while, so that will help.

    Steve Austin
    I'm surprised that Austin wasn't picked in the first round. Though he's mostly known as a brawler, he is a competent technician and has both experience and accomplishments working in his favor.

    Team
    The biggest problem I see here will be Hogan. He has a massive ego, which I don't think Austin will respond well to.

    BartSimpson-SithLord/BaSSiL
    Andre The Giant
    Andre's a monster, pure and simple. He's arguably one of the most powerful men in the draft and his size will give quite a few of his opponents fits. Good first rounder.

    Randy Savage
    Even though he's off his rocker now, Savage w
  15. Shadow_of_Durron Jedi Grand Master

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    Thanks for the breakdowns, guys.

    And the mention of experience reminds me of something I wanted to get cleared up concerning a lot of highly-experienced wrestlers who have gone on well past their prime. And since Flair is one of the best examples of that, I guess I'll use im as my primary example again. ;)

    Basically what I was kind of imagining for this draft concerning wrestlers like Flair (or Hogan or Taker or Sting or whoever) was that they would get credit for all the experience they've ever accumulated over the years, but at the same time, physically they kinda get... for lack of a better term, magically transported back to their respective peaks. I could understand if that might be a bit silly for some people, but I honestly think it works as long as we do it for everyone across the board.

    That said, if that's shot down and it becomes a question of either/or, then I don't hesitate for a second in saying that I'd toss the extra experience out the window and take Flair at his physical peak (which was, what? somewhere between fifteen and twenty years ago?)
  16. DarthIntegral Force Ghost

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    Kind of like we do in the StarFighter Draft? (or at least are supposed to)
    Believe it or not, Bruno and Sting have crossed paths before. :) Nothing major, mind you, but a little something to build off of, at the least.
  17. Mikaboshi Force Ghost

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    Taking someone at their physical peak while still taking into account all of their experience seems more than reasonable, otherwise there seems to be little benefit to picking some of these old codgers.
  18. MandaloreYak Force Ghost

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    So I guess I'm one of the few, or the only one, who doesn't care all THAT much about experience? I don't think it takes too many years in the ring to figure out what to do and what not to do. Unless you're Flair and keep figuring out new ways to cheat. Seems to me that after about 3-4 years you're pretty much established as to what you're going to be for the majority of your career unless some ridiculous new angle pushes you to a higher level. Of course there are those like Benoit or Edge who get the belt after a whole lot of years, but did they really get any better? Benoit's been that good forever, and Edge doesn't look to me to be at all as good as he was when he didn't get the belt (and by that I mean they cut his movelist in half and made him appear much less tough). So, that's my take on experience. A few years is good enough for me in most cases.
  19. darth_nemisis Jedi Grand Master

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    HHH and Angle should have been first rounders...
  20. Shadow_of_Durron Jedi Grand Master

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    So, wait. When it comes to crap like Hulkamania and the stupid invincibility gimmick or John Cena's ability to constantly pull out wins despite a huge gaping hole where his talent should be, it's all about the show? Actual skill and talent takes a back seat to the nonsense?

    But then when it comes to experience, which is something that wrestlers and announcers alike will consistently refer to as being a big factor in matches (all part of the show), suddenly reality is more important? Because, yeah, it's usually like you say. Although 3-4 years doesn't really seem accurate at all. I can name plenty of names that took a good deal longer than 3 or 4 years to really hit their stride (all gimmick boosts aside). And some took less than 3-4 years. Some much less. But that's all the reality part of it. The show part of it maintains that experience is very valuable.

    Pick one.
  21. MandaloreYak Force Ghost

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    Oh, yeah, I agree they definitely always talk, especially JR, about all that experience coming into play and all that. But it usually comes into play in the beginning or middle of the match rather than the end. Just like they talk about all the skill of this and that wrestler, but you know if he's a heel (unless it's some giant power gap like a championship contender against a cruiserweight not named Mysterio) he's not gonna win the match w/out cheating. Yeah, I've seen some quick pins and rollups and the like that could be attributed to experience (I recall Cena's 1st match vs. Angle for instance) but that's not the norm from what I've seen. I don't really think that once both opponents have that base level of experience that it comes into play all that much. Except in the case of bonafied cheaters like Flair or Guerrero who kept on finding new ways to cheat.

    But yeah, I think the thing you said that I really agree with was that it takes some people longer than others to hit their stride. Which is how I anticipate judging.

    Heck, Stone Cold took more than a few years to become unstoppable. But Lesnar, who has been knocked for inexperience, came in dang near unstoppable. He'd still lose to Austin I think, but you see the point.
  22. The Loyal Imperial Manager Emeritus

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  23. Shadow_of_Durron Jedi Grand Master

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    Yeah, I guess you and I are roughly on the same page after all with that issue.

    And damnit, Edge has always been one of my faves and I was hoping to get him... but not this round. So even though that sucks a bit, I guess it's better than me missing out on the dude I've been looking at since the end of the 1st round.

    I like how you mentioned my team seemed to be missing something, Yak. Because I totally agree, and on top of that, I think we're probably thinking of the exact same thing. Skill and technique is already more than covered so far, but now I need someone who can just plain dominate. This was pretty much what I planned from the outset, but I originally thought I was gonna have to settle for Brock at this spot. Lucky me, though. The better option fell through.

    It's gotta be Da Man. Goldberg.


    *man, deciding on a team name is tough for this one*


    Ric Flair

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    Kurt Angle

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    Goldberg

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  24. EmpireForever Force Ghost

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    How does this always happen for you?


    How?
  25. EmpireForever Force Ghost

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    Round 1 -

    1. Talon_Kenobi - Bret Hart
    2. Jaina_and_Jag - Shawn Michaels
    3. The_Loyal_Imperial - Undertaker
    4. Shurron - Ric Flair
    5. YGJ - Brock Lesnar
    6. captain-fantastic - Hulk Hogan
    7. BartSimpson-SithLord/BaSSiL - Andre The Giant
    8. Inty - Sting

    Round 2 -

    1. Inty - Bruno Sammartino
    2. Bartyslartfast - Macho Man Randy Savage
    3. Cap-Fan - Steve Austin
    4. YGJ - Rey Mysterio
    5. Sharon - Kurt Angle
    6. TLI - John Cena
    7. JJ - The Rock
    8. Talobi - Tripe H

    Round 3 -

    1. Talon_Kenobi - Chris Benoit
    2. Goddess-Jaina-Redick - Chris Jericho
    3. The_Loyal_Imperial - Edge
    4. Shurron - Goldberg
    5. YGJ - On the Clock
    6. captain-fantastic -
    7. BartSimpson-SithLord/BaSSiL -
    8. Inty -

    The Draft List

    A J Styles
    Aarn Anderson
    Abyss
    Al Snow
    Alex Shelley
    Animal
    Balls Mahoney
    Bam Bam Bigelow
    Barry Windham
    Batista
    Big Boss Man
    Big Show
    Billy Graham
    Billy Gunn
    Billy Kidman
    Bob Backlund
    Bobby Lashley
    Booker T
    British Bulldog
    Buff Bagwell
    Buh Buh Ray Dudley
    C M Punk
    Charlie Haas
    Chavo Guerrero
    Chris Harris
    Chris Sabin
    Christian
    Christopher Daniels
    Crash Holly
    D?Lo Brown
    Dean Malenko
    Diamond Dallas Paige
    Disco Inferno
    Dusty Rhodes
    D-Von Dudley
    Eddie Guerrero
    Faarooq
    Finlay
    Goldust
    Gregory Helms
    Hacksaw Jim Duggan
    Hardcore Holly
    Harley Race
    Hawk
    Hernandez
    Homicide
    Honky Tonk Man
    Iron Sheik
    Jake Roberts
    Jay Lethal
    Jeff Hardy
    Jeff Jarrett
    Jesse James
    Jim Neidhart
    Jimmy Snuka
    Joey Mercury
    John Bradshaw Layfield
    John Morrison
    Johnny Devine
    Junkyard Dog
    Jushin Liger
    Justin Credible
    Juventud
    Kamala
    Kane
    Kaz
    Ken Shamrock
    Kevin Nash
    Kid Kash
    Koko B Ware
    La Parka
    Lance Storm
    Lex Luger
    Mark Henry
    Marty Jannetty
    Matt Hardy
    Meng
    Mick Foley
    Mr. Kennedy
    Mr. Perfect
    MVP
    Nikolai Volkoff
    Owen Hart
    Papa Shango
    Paul London
    Pedro Morales
    Perry Saturn
    Petey Williams
    Psichosis
    Psycho Sid
    Raven
    Razor Ramon
    Rhyno
    Rick Steiner
    Ricky Steamboat
    Rikishi
    Rob Can Dam
    Robert Roode
    Rowdy Roddy Piper
    Sabu
    Samoa Joe
    Sanjay Dutt
    Scott Steiner
    Sgt. Slaughter
    Shannon Moore
    Shark Boy
    Shelton Benjamin
    Steve Blackman
    Stevie Ray
    Stevie Richards
    Super Calo
    Super Crazy
    Tajiri
    Taka Michinoku
    Tatanka
    Tazz
    Ted DiBiase
    Terry Funk
    Test
    The Cat
    The Miz
    The Sandman
    Tomko
    Tommy Dreamer
    Ultimate Warrior
    Ultimo Dragon
    Vader
    William Regal
    X-Pac
    Yokozuna
    Brian Kendrick

    Women
    Angelina Love
    Awesome Kong
    Beth Phoenix
    Candice Michelle
    Christy Hemme
    Chyna
    Debra
    Fabulous Moolah
    Gail Kim
    Ivory
    Jacqueline
    Jazz
    Lita
    Luna
    Mae Young
    Medusa
    Melina
    Michelle McCool
    Mickie James
    Miss Elizabeth
    Molly Holly
    ODB
    Roxxi Leveaux
    Sable
    Sensational Sherry
    Stacy Keibler
    Stephanie McMahon
    Torrie
    Torrie Wilson
    Traci Brooks
    Trish Stratus
    Velvet Sky
    Victoria

    Managers
    Bobby Heenan
    Eric Bischoff
    Jimmy Hart
    Jonathan Coachman
    Mr. Fugi
    Paul Bearer
    Paul Heyman
    Shane McMahon
    Theodore Long
    Vince McMahon
    Adnan Al-Kaissie
    Captain Lou Albano
    Larry Hennig
    Paul Heyman
    Larry Zbyszko
    Jim Ross


    And here's the list of available match types for prep, just to keep them in mind while you draft.

    Iron Man
    Steel Cage
    TLC
    Ladder
    Hell in the Cell
    Buried Alive
    Casket
    Hardcore
    Street Fight
    Submission
    First Blood


    Updates for judge/commi only etc. so on whatnot
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