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Discussion in 'Community' started by TiniTinyTony, Aug 13, 2015.

  1. TiniTinyTony

    TiniTinyTony Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    After being detached from this show from many years, the recent films have revived my interest. I also learned today of the Dragon Ball Z Kai series and a new series called Dragon Ball Super that continues to build on the stories from the movies that take place after the events of Dragon Ball Z. I never really watched the original Dragon Ball show, only watched a handful of Z, and didn't get into GT at all. (I hear GT may not be canon so maybe I didn't waste my time.)

    So after some research, it sounds like the Kai series is the way to go to revisit the series as it trims out a lot of the filler that really turned me off and detached me all those years ago. Has anyone seen any of the Kai series? I'd love to discuss it, and anything Dragon Ball related including the recent movies "Battle of the Gods" and "Resurrection F".
     
  2. Ramza

    Ramza Administrator Emeritus star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA VIP

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    Super is appropriately named because it's super good.

    Oh yeah, joke of the century.
     
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  3. Force Smuggler

    Force Smuggler Force Ghost star 7

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    Watching the original DBZ series is the only way to go. Not Kai. Don't particularly care for Frieza coming back unless it is Vegeta that stops him.
    Dragon Ball has a lot of good moments as well.
     
  4. TheAvengerButton

    TheAvengerButton Jedi Master star 4

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    I wish they'd trim out a lot of the Dragonball filler as well in the future.

    As far as anime goes, I've been researching Galaxy Express 999. Leiji Matsumoto's art style is my all time favorite of Japanese manga/anime artists. Toriyama's early Dragonball art reminds me a lot of Matsumoto.
     
  5. StrikerKOJ

    StrikerKOJ Jedi Knight star 3

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    I cannot claim to be the most knowledgeable about the franchise, but I did see all of Dragon Ball Z on their runs on Toonami back in the day, as well as all of Dragon Ball Z Kai. Kai is certainly the superior product. It cuts out a lot of the filler and is a more faithful adaptation of the Manga. At the time I watched it, the English dub* ended at the Cell saga, though I hear they may be working on the English dub of the Buu saga now? I haven't really kept up with the news. I would certainly recommend Kai as a reintroduction to the series.

    Dragon Ball is very different in tone. Still a fun watch, but not nearly as "serious" as Z.

    Battle of the Gods was a fun watch. Based on when the events take place in the timeline (after Buu saga) it didn't suffer quite as much from clashing continuity with the Manga story line like the previous films. The concept is also a little over the top, but is par for the course for Dragon Ball. Dragon Ball Super is a new series that is retelling the events of Battle of the Gods in an episodic fashion instead of a 90 minute movie, so if you saw the movie first it might seem a little repetitious. I've seen the first few episodes of Super and haven't been too impressed so far.

    *And yes, I am one of those white boy american posers that prefers the English dub over the original Japanese VAs. Sue me.
     
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  6. Ramza

    Ramza Administrator Emeritus star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA VIP

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    Well, one, they're already on record saying it's going to continue on afterwards and two, if you don't like awesome bro Mr. Satan and grumpy dad Vegeta you are objectively the worst.
     
  7. Force Smuggler

    Force Smuggler Force Ghost star 7

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    I want to see Cell and Gohan face each other again. Won't happen but I can dream.
     
  8. JoinTheSchwarz

    JoinTheSchwarz JC Head Admin & Community Manager star 9 Staff Member Administrator

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    Super has some terrible animation, because Toei; the last episode looked like some Newgrounds animation. Let's hope they are saving the good animators for the key episodes.

    The idea of adapting the two movies and then continuing with the Universe 6 plan... well, I guess you could get some extra mileage out of Frieza's resurrection, but it feels like unnecessary padding. Still, Beerus and Whis are the best thing to happen to Dragon Ball since Satan, so I'll be there. Also, Jaco.

    And of course the superior series is the original, non-Z, Dragon Ball. I still find myself mindlessly humming the main theme while working, and it's been 25 years...
     
  9. Ramza

    Ramza Administrator Emeritus star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA VIP

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    I only ever read the comics (Dragon Ball, for some reason, never aired very consistently here in the US, and the one time it did it got its time slot shuffled around a lot) but yeah, it's definitely the best part of the whole shebang.
     
  10. JoinTheSchwarz

    JoinTheSchwarz JC Head Admin & Community Manager star 9 Staff Member Administrator

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    Dragon Ball was the first comic series I collected. I lived that Japanese model of "the manga is several episodes ahead of the anime... and oh wow, I can't wait to see this happen on screen... what, more filler?? Mother..."
     
  11. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    *powering up for five episodes*
     
  12. TheAvengerButton

    TheAvengerButton Jedi Master star 4

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    Seriously, I'll say it again. Dragonball really needs a Kai treatment. Trim down the filler to make it match the manga. I probably won't ever collect the Buu Saga. It doesn't add too much to the story arcs of the characters IMO. The Cell Saga was a culmination of everything that was introduced at the beginning of the Vegeta saga, with Gohan having the fulfilled potential of being stronger than his father, and it also tied back to the Red Ribbon Army stuff from the original Dragonball, which was definitely a highlight of the original show for me.
     
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  13. Force Smuggler

    Force Smuggler Force Ghost star 7

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    What they did with Gohan after the Cell Saga is just sad.
     
  14. JoinTheSchwarz

    JoinTheSchwarz JC Head Admin & Community Manager star 9 Staff Member Administrator

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    I don't mind it (although I sure did when I was 13 and hoping he would be the new main character). I find it refreshing that he would decide to become a scientist instead of a fighter. I mean... that was kind of his character from the beginning.
     
  15. Boba_Fett_2001

    Boba_Fett_2001 Chosen One star 8

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    We should watch Goku vs Frieza for movie night (only 4 hours!)

     
  16. JoinTheSchwarz

    JoinTheSchwarz JC Head Admin & Community Manager star 9 Staff Member Administrator

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    At the time it felt like the most epic **** ever. Then I turned to see American cartoons and there was some episodic crap about NFL players becoming Arthurian legends that always ended with the characters laughing at the bumbling comedic relief character.

    I'll take 6 or 8 hours of super-padded fights if necessary. *shudder*
     
  17. Force Smuggler

    Force Smuggler Force Ghost star 7

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    True on him not being a fighter and with Chi-Chi being Chi-Chi but no training for 7 years? Seriously? You'd think he would have kept up on it just in case to prevent another android or Cell situation. Those threats came from no where and the Z Fighters got trashed.
     
  18. Ramza

    Ramza Administrator Emeritus star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA VIP

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    Oh man, I remember that show. It was... extant.

    Clearly the optimal route is to watch the Dragon Ball Z Abridged version.
     
  19. TiniTinyTony

    TiniTinyTony Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    I can't believe I created this thread back in 2015 and now 2+ years later, we have 50 "Super" episodes in the US while they are 128 episodes that have aired in Japan. It appears that the current saga in Japan is pretty long and still going, but I don't want to discuss what I haven't seen as I'm attempting to stay unspoiled on the details of future episodes.

    So concerning what has aired so far in the US:
    1) God of Destruction Beerus saga - I enjoyed the movie compared to the individual episodes as a single story, but I do recall liking the extra little details that the episodes showed compared to the movie that couldn't be 5 hours long.
    2) Golden Frieza - Again, I think the movie was good enough compared to the episodes, but I did appreciate the Piccolo sacrifice. It was nice to find out what happened to Captain Ginyu but since I didn't really watch a lot of DBZ, I was fine without in movie wise.
    3) Universe 6 - I found this to be pretty interesting. I liked the characters from the new Universe, especially Hit and the young Sayan. I didn't like Berrus's brother, but I did like that Berrus did something nice for him as his wish. If you watch the episode with subtitles on, you can see they are just speaking each word backwards. I was able to discern what he was doing before it happened.
    4) "Future" Trunks - really enjoying this series thus far and very curious on who Goku Black is. I love when time travel is involved, but I'm a little lost.

    So I need a refresher. In the Cell Saga, Trucks came from the future to stop Cell from being created, but he gets created anyway. Eventually Cell is defeated and Future Trunks goes home. He returns to the future to find Frieza and his father who he easily dispatches now that he's more powerful and peace is restored to the future for the time being. Right? Are Future Trunks friends and family still alive or are they wished back with the dragon balls or something and then Goku Black shows up and kills everyone or is Future Trucks the only Sayan left a live in the future? If Bulma is a live, why isn't she searching for the dragon balls? Have they been destroyed?

    So Frieza who is chopped into pieces in the Truck's Future is wished back from the dead in the current timeline so at this point has the current timeline caught up with the present because Frieze comes back in pieces and needs to be reassembled? I'm getting a little mixed up on the time travel aspect, especially when I don't have a clear memory of past events from DBZ.

    Also, why is Truck's hair a different color. I'm assuming we'll learn why. Maybe he dyes it from purple to blue.
     
  20. Ramza

    Ramza Administrator Emeritus star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA VIP

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    I'll stop you here because the answer is you secretly don't - they're winging it and by the end there are like 15 different timelines in play if you try to break it down. Contradictions are coming from that and only get worse as the Goku Black arc continues.

    That said, they can't use the dragon balls in the Future Trunks timeline(s) because Piccolo died and they never thought to bring Dende or use the Namekian dragon balls because Toriyama was writing the Cell arc by the seat of his pants. Everything time travel related in the series is kind of "well this is a cool idea but none of the implications are thought through."
     
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  21. TiniTinyTony

    TiniTinyTony Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    Also, throw in that there are 12 different universes. Future Trunks who is visiting the 7th universe from his future could be from a future on a different universe so yeah it can definitely be hard to keep track of and easy for the contradictions to arise. It's like trying to follow CW's The Flash sometimes.
     
  22. Mustafar_66

    Mustafar_66 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    The Goku Black saga is the one arc of DBS that I've missed. I'll probably go back and watch it when the series finishes after the Universal Survival saga and play catch-up. I'll miss Super when it's gone. Despite it's flaws it's been a fixture of my Sunday mornings. It's like I'm 12 again, only with extra coffee.
     
  23. Nobody145

    Nobody145 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Super has been fun, but there are also more than a few times when I wish they had just left things alone. Beerus and Whis are fun characters, but I'm still ambivalent about the series as a whole. The future arc takes the time travel thing to ridiculous new levels too. After this last arc concludes, I'll see whether Super was a net positive or negative. So far the big tournament has been quite good though.

    The manga version also helps a bit, sometimes having a arguably better version of events (both the show and manga are working off an outline from Toriyama or something like that).
     
  24. TiniTinyTony

    TiniTinyTony Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    Future Trunks saga

    Future Trunks and Mai appear to return to their future where Zamasu and Goku Black are or will be finally defeated. The timeline is a little convoluted as mentioned above.

    So with 9 more episodes in the Future Trunks saga, I'm not sure where the story will be going, but I guess there is a story they need to tell before going into the next new saga aka The Universe Survival Saga.

    ***

    Good news, we're getting a new show, well I'm assuming Japan is and hopefully we'll be getting an English dub on AdultSwim once they finish airing The Universe Survival saga -- 55 episodes/weeks + 9 more episodes/weeks of the Future Trunks Saga so hopefully 64 weeks will be enough time to get the (dragon) ball rolling on Heroes.

    http://comicbook.com/anime/2018/06/21/dragon-ball-heroes-anime-trailer-watch/
     
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  25. Ramza

    Ramza Administrator Emeritus star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA VIP

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    We're going to get new Dragon Ball dubs until Sean Schemmel's larynx collapses, airing on television be damned. :p

    I'm hoping our lord and savior (end of Super spoilers)
    Android 17
    gets to do some cool stuff in the new series. But generally the mere precedent of Goku's new, bigger number not being the only salvation of the universe is really exciting, even if the execution was flawed.
     
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