Drug Smuggling.

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  1. Captain-Communist Jedi Knight

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    I think Drug smuggling is good and bad. its bad because people get bad drugs like coke and heroin. But they get good drugs like weed.
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  3. Saint_of_Killers Jedi Youngling

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    Legalise it and the smugglers will be out of business.
  4. CwrnPuppet Jedi Master

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    Legalize it all, if you ask me. The smugglers are out of business, drug crime would be non-existent and we could stop wasting money on the "war on drugs".

    Drugs don't sneak up and attack people - anyone who uses them is taking their own risks. I think a better solution would be to educate people about the effects and possible repurcussions of using them.

  5. BKK Force Ghost

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    Since when is Marijuana a good drug and the others were bad? IMO they are ALL bad.
  6. CwrnPuppet Jedi Master

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    BKK, have you ever tried any drugs? Maybe you have, but I am always a bit miffed when someone claims that something is bad without ever experiencing it.
  7. DARTHPIGFEET Jedi Master

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    If you think legalizing drugs will put drug smugglers out of business your sadly mistaken. Do you think your local drug lord is gonna say "Well it's legal now I think I'll just pack up shop and leave" Hell no. He will sell his stuff cheaper than what the governement will sell theirs for, or vice versa. They are evil people but they are also business people and they aren't closing up shop.

    Smugglers should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, thrown in jail and throw away the key. Cut off the supply and the demand will go down. Make it so hard to get your precious drugs that it's not worth finding it where you can.

    Cwrn Puppet your argument on being miffed because someone who hasn't tried something but says it's bad doesn't work in this issue. Yes for a 4 year old kid who will not eat his veggies, but drugs????? Sorry but some people have enough SENSE to know it's bad, just as if a 4 year old touches a hot stove. He will not be doing it again. Curiousity killed the cat puppet.

    I hate to sound like the guideance councelor here but ALL DRUGS ARE BAD. They ruin lives and it breeds crime. Cracks, Heroin, Pot, Alcohol etc are all bad.

    With the exception of a glass of wine drugs are bad. They harm the body and the mind, and I'm smart enough not to do them.

    So no smuggling is not good and bad. It's bad, because not only is your innocent little Pot being transported over the border but so is the more dangerous stuff like Crack and Herion is along for the ride to.
  8. CwrnPuppet Jedi Master

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    He will sell his stuff cheaper than what the governement will sell theirs for, or vice versa. They are evil people but they are also business people and they aren't closing up shop.

    Do you know some drug smugglers who have informed you that this is what they would do? I think it is more likely that they would simply begin *gasp* selling their products legally?

    Smugglers should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, thrown in jail and throw away the key. Cut off the supply and the demand will go down.

    That is mutually exclusive. If you reduce the supply, the demand will always go up. Besides, it's impossible to cut off the supply. Pot, for example can be grown in your own back yard, in the woods near your home, in your bedroom, in your closet, in your basement. Face it: drugs aren't going away.

    Cwrn Puppet your argument on being miffed because someone who hasn't tried something but says it's bad doesn't work in this issue. Yes for a 4 year old kid who will not eat his veggies, but drugs?????

    Yes. For both the 4-year old, vegetable-adverse child and drugs. I'm not saying that people should all run out and try drugs; but I am saying that to say that they are all bad without having had experience with them is somewhat sophomoric.

    Sorry but some people have enough SENSE to know it's bad, just as if a 4 year old touches a hot stove. He will not be doing it again. Curiousity killed the cat puppet.

    Marajuana has done some medical wonders. So has ecstacy. Ask someone who feels intense pain everyday whether or not smoking a joint or taking a pill is inherently bad and you may see a different point of view.

    I hate to sound like the guideance councelor here but ALL DRUGS ARE BAD. They ruin lives and it breeds crime. Cracks, Heroin, Pot, Alcohol etc are all bad.

    Yet curiously, alcohol is legal.

    Regardless, anything can be bad when it is not taken in moderation.

    As for crime, the vast majority of drug-related crime is due to the fact that they are illegal, not because they make people violent. Although alcoholics do tend to get violent, as opposed to potheads. Go figure.

    With the exception of a glass of wine drugs are bad. They harm the body and the mind, and I'm smart enough not to do them.

    Wait - I thought you said alcohol was bad.

    So no smuggling is not good and bad. It's bad, because not only is your innocent little Pot being transported over the border but so is the more dangerous stuff like Crack and Herion is along for the ride to.

    What about guns? They're pretty darn dangerous. So are cars, for that matter. Cigarettes? They're legal. If people want to be stupid and get addicted to crack, I say survival of the fittest. With the population skyrocketing, I think Darwin would be all for a move to stop protecting people from their own idiocy.
  9. Captain-Communist Jedi Knight

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  10. CwrnPuppet Jedi Master

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    Thanks, Captain! *salutes*
  11. Captain-Communist Jedi Knight

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    Weed can ruin people if the person. But it is not as bad as Crack or soemthing. Anyway I think Weed should be legal.
  12. CwrnPuppet Jedi Master

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    Weed can ruin people if the person.

    I'm not quite sure what you mean by this. Could you explain a bit more?
  13. BKK Force Ghost

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    You guys can't be serious if you think society as a whole would be better off if drugs were legalized. I've seen plenty of aggressive/violent pot-heads so that excuse doen't fly. And no I haven't tried Marijuana, what so automatically I can't have an opinion about it. If you can sit there and really think that pot is NOT an introductory drug to other hardcore drugs then you are sadly mistaken.

    Most people start off with softcore drugs and then move on to hardcore drugs like crack, heroin, cocaine. I agree let them do it if they want to they don't have to answer to me. But them again I think I shouldn't have to pay for some moron in re-hab then.

    Cars & cigarettes don't kill people in the sense that if you smoke a cig. your're going to ram into a school bus. It doesn't affect your motor skills the way pot or alcohol does. Cars kill people when they are being irresponsible, i.e driving like a friggin maniac.
  14. CwrnPuppet Jedi Master

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    You guys can't be serious if you think society as a whole would be better off if drugs were legalized.

    I seriously think that, yes.

    I've seen plenty of aggressive/violent pot-heads so that excuse doen't fly.

    Really? I've known hundreds of potheads and never once seen a single one of them get violent. I've definitely seen them hoard twinkies and nachos, though. Look out! Hide your snacks! Here come the stoners!

    And no I haven't tried Marijuana, what so automatically I can't have an opinion about it. If you can sit there and really think that pot is NOT an introductory drug to other hardcore drugs then you are sadly mistaken.

    Hey, guess what - I know quite a few people who have used pot for years and never once had a desire to do any other drug. I'm sure that pot CAN be a gateway drug, but so can alcohol. If someone is stupid enough to do heroin, I really doubt that they need cannabis to talk them into it.

    Most people start off with softcore drugs and then move on to hardcore drugs like crack, heroin, cocaine.

    Cough up the stats, buddy! I've read plenty on this subject and I have yet to see any evidence that this is actually the case.

    I agree let them do it if they want to they don't have to answer to me. But them again I think I shouldn't have to pay for some moron in re-hab then.

    You most certainly shouldn't have to pay for aforementioned moron in rehab. Nor should you have to pay for an alcoholic in rehab or for anyone's nicorette gum or the medical bill of a nimrod who shoots himself in the foot while hunting.

    Cars & cigarettes don't kill people in the sense that if you smoke a cig. your're going to ram into a school bus.

    Ah, but a few beers could and no one seems to complain that alcohol is legal.

    It doesn't affect your motor skills the way pot or alcohol does. Cars kill people when they are being irresponsible, i.e driving like a friggin maniac.

    Well, sure - but I'm not saying legalize pot and encourage people to DRIVE while they're high. We constantly remind people not to drive when they have been drinking. I think the concept of "smoke responsibly" would make just as much sense.
  15. BKK Force Ghost

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    You've known hundreds of pot heads? Now what's that telling you about our society nowadays? Drugs cannot be anything but bad in the long run. Nothing good will ever come of them. Just because you've never come across a violent pothead doesn't mean it doesn't happen, I've seen plenty.

    I'm not saying EVERY dope head in America is automatically going from the bong to the crack pipe, I was just trying to illustrate how they are all addictive. It starts with alcohol, moves to a softcore drug[pot] then to maybe a hardcore drug like crack. If you've read plenty on the subject then you should know that with these addictions it is easier/ more common to move on to stronger and stronger drugs.

    I guess the only "stats" I can come up with would be the following, and I admit you will probably think they aren't concrete proof.

    1. When I was in High School, for Health class we had an extensive section on drugs in general and what addictions can do to your body. We had a couple of guest speakers and all of them [4] said they started with alcohol, and pot.

    2. Okay, this is the one you might not believe exactly. On MTV I used to love watching the show "Loveline" with DR. Drew [Pinske?] and Adam Corola. Dr. Drew was an Addiction Medical Specialist and he always said that whenever he was helping a patient who was trying to get help that the one thing all his patients had in common was that they started with alcohol or pot. Not exactly concrete proof, but it makes sense.

    3. My Mom is a recovering alcoholic. She had two liver transplants about 3 years ago[the first one she got her body rejected, they had to give her another one about 15 hours later]so in dealing with her doctors for the last 10 years or so I think I am qualified on the subject of alcohol at the very least.

    To sum up- I don't see how drugs can be seen as anything but bad, legal or illegal it makes no difference to me.
  16. gwaernardel Jedi Master

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    Marijuana is not addictive. It may be mentally addictive for some, but it is not physically addictive in the way that cigarettes, heroin, and alcohol are. There has never been a shred of proof that your body can become phsycially addicted to marijuana.
  17. sleazo Jedi Master

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    It is easy to decry the evils of marijauna when one has never smoked it. i have plenty of friends who are doctors, lawyers and teachers who puff on the doob now andthen to relax.
  18. DESERTJEDI Jedi Master

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    Just because you've never come across a violent pothead doesn't mean it doesn't happen, I've seen plenty

    But its not the pot thats making them violent, its the person with or with out it.
  19. gwaernardel Jedi Master

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    I agree.
    Don't listen to everything you learn in school. About one-third is lies and the other two-thirds are so obviously biased that you can't take any of it as fact.
  20. BKK Force Ghost

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    Yes, I have never smoked it, but that doesn't mean I've never been around it. There was a time when out of 7 of us that hung out together I was the only one who didn't smoke it. I also know that marijuana has never been proven to be addictive, I never said it was, I just said I consider pot bad for you and is a precursor [although not in all cases] to more powerful drugs.

    Sleazo, if you consider marijuana harmless and the people you mentioned use it to relax would you let

    your doctor friend operate on you after smoking or

    your lawyer friend defend you on a murder charge or

    your teacher friend teach your children or

    how about an airline pilot, how comfortable would you be in boarding an airplane if you knew the pilot "just wanted to relax" before takeoff. I don't think you would get on board.

    There is no rationale argument that anyone can give that would prove that drugs just bring you down in the long run.

    I'm not trying to tell people how to run their lives, I mean if you want to smoke a bowl go ahead it's your life and your body. You should be able to make your own choices in life, I just think it's a bad decision, but that's my opinion just like you guys are entitled to your opinion.

    EDIT: addressed wrong poster, my bad Gwaernardel, sorry.
  21. gwaernardel Jedi Master

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    No, and I wouldn't want them drinking alcohol right before any of those things either. But alcohol is legal. And addictive. And widely available. But marijuana is illegal. Sure it's a gateway drug. What about alcohol? What about cigarettes? What about smelling permanent markers? What about stealing cookies from the cookie jar? What about breathing oxygen? I guarantee you won't find a heroin user who hasn't done any of these things before moving on to doing heroin. It doesn't mean they're the cause of it.
  22. BKK Force Ghost

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    I know, that's what I'm saying. I wouldn't want them to do any of those other things either. IMO it all starts with abusing alcohol. I just don't see why marijuana gets the rep as being a harmless fun drug. I mean I know it's not like someone is going to smoke a joint and then go on a killing spree, he's more than likely going to go to Denny's and get the grand-slam breakfast. I just think that if you smoke pot you are at risk to move on to a more dangerous drug, that's all.
  23. sleazo Jedi Master

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    And i said that they can smoke it after they get off work as a way to relax. You know i ddint mean that they smoke while operating or teaching
  24. Saint_of_Killers Jedi Youngling

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    "1. When I was in High School, for Health class we had an extensive section on drugs in general and what addictions can do to your body. We had a couple of guest speakers and all of them [4] said they started with alcohol, and pot."

    "Don't listen to everything you learn in school. About one-third is lies and the other two-thirds are so obviously biased that you can't take any of it as fact."

    Yep.

    Don't believe anything they tell you in school about drugs. Schools are run by the government, and the government outlaws drugs, so of course they're gonna make drugs looks as bad as possible, even if they have to lie their ass off, to justify telling people what they can and cannot put inot their own bodies. I went through that crock of bull feces called D.A.R.E. , and I can tell you from experience, that it's all lies.
  25. Kimball_Kinnison Chosen One

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    Schools are run by the government, and the government outlaws drugs, so of course they're gonna make drugs looks as bad as possible, even if they have to lie their ass off, to justify telling people what they can and cannot put inot their own bodies. I went through that crock of bull feces called D.A.R.E. , and I can tell you from experience, that it's all lies.

    There is a fallacy to your argument. By your reasoning, the government does not outlaw alcohol, so why do they teach about it in schools like they do drugs and (often) include it as a drug to avoid? If you accept that they are looking out for the public good with one, why not the other?

    Kimball Kinnison
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