And as I was telling you on IM before I had to go, my point isn't that because Plato said it it must be true. Obviously not. I just think that because Plato said it, there's a likelihood that it's something people thought was true. He and many other contemporary historians (and hell, many since then as well) have exaggerated existing oral 'history'. But he most likely didn't just completely make up a new legend that no one had talked about before. It's much more likely that he just piled onto an interesting bit of oral legend he'd heard. One thing about ancient accounts of supposedly historical events is that they can tell us just as much about the cultures that produced them as they do about the events themselves. I find that interesting. So anyway, my point is that we may never know whether there was any island city that became the basis for a greatly exaggerated tale of "Atlantis". But Plato's account is reasonable evidence that at least some people in his day and before had been passing around such a tale. Maybe my idea of 'recent' is a bit broad, since it's more like since the 50s and 60s To me, that's pretty recent in Western history. Although I was thinking a bit more of the actually very recent datings of cave paintings to thousands of years earlier than previous records.