Election Game Results and Decision

Discussion in 'Communications' started by DarthSapient, Mar 7, 2003.

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  1. SPACEMONKEY20 Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    Nov 13, 2001
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    good for you Ken......

    let me know if you need help in setting that up. :)
  2. FlamingSword Jedi Knight

    Member Since:
    Jun 4, 2001
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    A decision was reached already. Kad-"The buck stops here"-ue made his decision above. I expect that's final.

    Yes, I know .. now anyways :p
    I acutally meant to say something else, but I was otherwise occupied (work). Don't post unless you have time to think about it.

    As others have said, don't let one game taint your view of the JC, AT60.It is incredibly sad that you are forced to resign if you committed absolultely no wrong. However, the game is so tainted, no one will ever agree to anything.

    On a side note, why can anyone get colors for 6 months anyways? It's confusing thinking them a mod :p
  3. KenKenobi Jedi Master

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    Jul 11, 2002
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    SM20: Thanks. As of now the new Star Wars Community forum is lacking a solid fanbase thread (well, besides Starbucks ;) :p ), and it seems like a perfect place to begin Version 2 of our thread... :D


    Any tips (as provided by your experience as SVC of the BYS) would be very appreciative, as this will be a large change in comparison to politically-based organization. :)



    Ken Kenobi- And you have a nice day ;)
  4. SPACEMONKEY20 Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    Nov 13, 2001
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    I'll pm you later on that, Ken....

    I don't want to clog this thread with a derailed topic. ;)




    I wanted to add that I'm glad Kadue stepped in on this... Enough is Enough.
  5. Vertical Former Head Admin

    Member Since:
    Apr 6, 1999
    star 6
    I hardly blame AT60 for any of these problems. He was one person lobbying very hard not to have the outcome based on a poll.

    Vertical
  6. SPACEMONKEY20 Jedi Master

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    Nov 13, 2001
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    agreed, I don't believe AT_60 had anything to do with the sock votes.....

    I have faith that from his prior actions and statements that he wanted to win fair and square. The mass pm's were "iffy" of course... but I don't think they were done with malice even if they were against TOS.
  7. wild_karrde Jedi Grand Master

    Member Since:
    Oct 8, 1999
    star 7
    epic - i never really understood the point of this game in the first place.

    BB>election


    Bwahahahaha! So sad, yet so true. At least BB was interesting (before I got booted anyway, after that everyone kinda forgot about it :p )

    And in closing:

    BRING BACK TEH GAUNTLET!!!11!11!1!!
  8. Wolf Jedi Padawan

    Member Since:
    Sep 29, 2002
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    Well i have just finished reading this tread after a post from AT-60 in our fanforce forum saying he was leaving.

    And all i have to say is that i am discusted with alot of the people in here. I will not name names because to do so would be making a personal attack and unlike so many others in here i'm not willing to do that.

    I received a PM from AT-60 and I DID NOT concider it as unwelcome, i was informed about this game when it was started and did not want to take my time to take part in it but i was planning on making my vote as was my right. AT-60 mearly reminded me that the voting was taking place and asked me to make my vote.

    I know AT-60 personally and he is a man of high morals and has admitted the only fault that was indeed his the mass PMing, which he did serve a 24 hour ban from.

    It seems to me that this game is even more tainted then it was at the end of the voting. Because of a selected few people the modsquad has gone back on the rules and removed the VIP status unjustly. Even the runner up for this election did not voice any protest and that to me should say it all.

    Worst of all you have caused a member of this JC to leave. I can't quite understand why you all are so upset about a little game but to make this happen and to make such flagrant attacks you should all be ashamed of yourselves.

    For those who have acted properly and not made these kind of attacks i apolgize for you having to have read this.

    Hope you come back soon AT-60. These few people really arn't worth it to make you turn your back on the JC. Or at least the people who still do respect you.

    Matt
  9. EmpressPalpatine Jedi Youngling

    Member Since:
    Mar 31, 2001
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    I commend Kadue on his wise decision. It struck me as something almost of a "Vertical Quality" ;)


    Hope you come back soon AT-60. These few people really arn't worth it to make you turn your back on the JC. Or at least the people who still do respect you.

    now what was that quote from P.T. Barnum that would be appropriate here??? 8-}

    I say we have an election for Drama Queen of the JC.

    sorry, but that title is mine for life... :D
  10. Jeff 42 Manager Emeritus

    Member Since:
    Sep 14, 1998
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    This whole thing just strikes me as very amusing. I think two things that have been said sum up my feelings on the issue:

    i never really understood the point of this game in the first place.

    and

    BRING BACK TEH GAUNTLET!!!11!11!1!!

    Also, looking at the results I see that Dan and Aragorn327 got last place with only 31 votes. I conclude from this that they didn't cheat, and thus should be declared TEH WINARS!!111!!!111 forceboat forceboat forceboat forceboat forceboat forceboat forceboat forceboat forceboat forceboat forceboat forceboat forceboat forceboat forceboat forceboat forceboat forceboat forceboat forceboat forceboat forceboat forceboat forceboat
  11. GIMER Manager Emeritus

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    Nov 15, 2000
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    I think there was no way to win from the start.
    If we are following US rules, then you must be born in the country to be able to be president.
    If the country is the JC and the JC is less than 10 years old, then anyone young enough to have been born "in the JC" would be violating the TOS.
  12. ElfStar Jedi Padawan

    Member Since:
    Mar 24, 2001
    star 4
    I think whoever got the least votes should be considered the winner.
  13. Wolf Jedi Padawan

    Member Since:
    Sep 29, 2002
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    Elfstar there is as much proof that the people who came in last cheated as much as the top placers. ZERO!

    The faults in what could have happened were known, the game was carried on dispite this, the results were carried out. With no evidence of actual cheating by any party the election should have stood.
  14. Darth_AYBABTU Jedi Master

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    Mar 8, 2001
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    "I will not name names because to do so would be making a personal attack and unlike so many others in here i'm not willing to do that."

    Would you please cite some of the personal attacks directed toward AT60? Thanks in advance.

    "Elfstar there is as much proof that the people who came in last cheated as much as the top placers. ZERO!"

    Are you forgetting the influx of new sock registries that Kadue referenced? That was enough of an appearance of impropriety to prompt action by the Administration.

    AYBABTU?

  15. Wolf Jedi Padawan

    Member Since:
    Sep 29, 2002
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    Darth, they knew about possible sock voting and still let the vote begin. And there is zero proof that those socks even voted for the Canadian party. Again i will not name any names but some of the attacks have been obvious look back and you will see them.
  16. Darth_AYBABTU Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    Mar 8, 2001
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    I did look, and I can't find any. Quoting a source is not a personal attack. You are free to quote what you believe are personal attacks without fear of reprisal. Which ones do you mean?

    AYBABTU?

  17. Vertical Former Head Admin

    Member Since:
    Apr 6, 1999
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    "Darth, they knew about possible sock voting and still let the vote begin."

    I agree that this was the problem from the start. Had I actually been paying attention, I would have voiced my concerns then, which would have been more appropriate.

    Vertical
  18. DarthSapient Jedi Youngling

    Member Since:
    Jun 26, 2001
    star 10
    I understand feelings on both sides of this. But I urge you to let it go and move on. I think the sooner we all do this and let it go, the better off everyone as a whole will be.
  19. Sar-Tamber-lac Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    May 24, 2002
    star 5
    Wow...Excuse me while I go lose my lunch. [face_plain]

    I've tried to stay out of this til now, and I probably won't get much into it after this.

    It was a stupid game for stupid colors. Why the hell did everyone have to go and make such a big deal out of it? It's not like Chris and Brian were given banhammer or editing abilities. Just color. Oh, they were above OPPM. Big whoop. Chris had every right to defend his colors, and his reasoning to keep them, because he earned them. I'm very glad he's on my MSN list, cause this place is sure gonna suck without him around for a while.

    What baring whatsoever did the outcome of this election have on anyone here? None whatsoever. Seems this discussion was ongoing just for the sake of having something to complain about.

    Spam PM's...big deal. Chris did it, he got punished. I sent out 15 of them. I got punished. PM's were not really sent out until the final day of voting. Ever since the beginning, the Canadian party had a huge lead. The PM's, maybe gettin us a few votes, didn't do much in the long run. I think ya'll put too much power in PM's.

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    I'm sorry if this sounds right harsh. It's not directed at anyone in particular. I'm just very upset right now, and think that this thread should have been locked a loooooong time ago. This has been allowed to go on too long. Everyone else has stated their opinions, and I have stated mine. I'm sure there's plenty out there who are waiting to argue with what I have said, so I will give you that chance now.

    Think before anyone takes Sar-Tamber-lac up on that chance. This is not the place for personal arguments.
  20. DarthSapient Jedi Youngling

    Member Since:
    Jun 26, 2001
    star 10
    What I want is to not have to lock it. It needs to sink on its own because it makes a good archived reference for anything similar in the future. As far as Admiral_Thrawn60 and his saying that people are out to ruin him as well as your statement of basically the same thing, that's a bit paranoid don't you think? As a moderator, I get slammed and berated daily. Nobody is out to get him. He left on his own. But we're not going to beg for him to stay. It is his choice and he is not accused of anything. The game was flawed, accept that, and don't everyone get paranoid about some underground mini-coup to strip someone of their colors, ruin their good name, and succeed in a secretive wish of having him leave the JC. It's time to move along...move along.
  21. Sar-Tamber-lac Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    May 24, 2002
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    Sape, I didn't mean to imply that you did a bad job by any means. I'm sorry if it came out that way. I think, under the circumstances, you did an excellent job. If anyone knows me, they know I am not a vengeful person, nor am I one who enjoys conflict. However, I do know Chris pretty well, and what he has gone through this past week. But there's nothing we can do about that now, understandably. I'm very sorry it came to this. Sape, you did a good job. I do hope, though, that this game doesn't happen again. If it does, then we know a lot of things we can change. I wasn't out to start up personal arguments. I know what I know. Anyways, I'll stop before I get edited again. Thank you for hanging in there, Sape. I hope this stops here.
  22. jedi_master_ousley Manager Emeritus

    Member Since:
    Jun 14, 2002
    star 8
    Was the Party Creation forum locked because it was the end of the game, or because of all the controversy? I enjoyed just having a conversation with some of my party members from time to time. I think it should be left open. :)
  23. Tupolov Jedi Padawan

    Member Since:
    May 24, 2002
    star 4
    I have tried to stay out of this but I feel I need to say this.

    If the losers started PMing me saying that AT60 did not deserve to win I would have responded "It's not your place to decide who wins" or "Shut up". This game has been fun for the most part save for the fact that is has gone on way too long. While I don't doubt socks were used, seeing as how there's no proof who they voted for that evidence is pretty useless.

    All in all, this game oly worked in theory. I do not think I will play if the game is replayed because it is nothing more than drama now. It was too complex. What I'm saying is: Good in theory, bad in practice.
  24. ElfStar Jedi Padawan

    Member Since:
    Mar 24, 2001
    star 4
    Elfstar there is as much proof that the people who came in last cheated as much as the top placers. ZERO!

    Yes, but if somebody cheated and still came in last place, they were obviously incompetent cheaters. Since the President would have no real power anyway, don't you think it would make sense to elect someone so powerless they can't even abuse a lack of power?
  25. Kadue Jedi Knight

    Member Since:
    Jun 20, 2000
    star 5
    Just to answer the question from a separate thread, the forums have been made read-only due to the ending of the game. If people still wish to socialise, they are free to start it up in one of the relevant forums, but from the start the forums were always going to have this done to them.


    In regards to the PMs, no where in any of the rules did it ever state that the normal board rules were superceeded by this game. Just because there is no mention that sending out unsolicited PMs wasn't against the game rules does not automatically mean that the normal JC rules of solicitation via PMs were suspended for this game. There is the assumption that all JC rules still apply in all games, and where they don't, it is specifically mentioned, like the ability to return as a sock when banned for Gauntlet. If it had been asked about, then a message would have been posted that this was specifically not allowed, but the basis that we generally work off here is that everyone is following the rules, and we only say something when they aren't.


    In game validities aside, the fact that 5 of the most active moderators have been spending a large portion of their time here on this game, after it's conclusion, is the biggest thing to me. This might not seem to be the fairest decision to specific people, but it is the fairest decision overall.


    And so that it is clear, this is the only time we will be running this game. There are more problems than just the ones brought up here, and so we're chalking it up to experience, and moving on.
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