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Amph [Embedded Video Heavy] ITT We Discuss Who Did The Song Better

Discussion in 'Community' started by Jedi Merkurian , Mar 20, 2018.

  1. Jedi Merkurian

    Jedi Merkurian Future Films Rumor Naysayer star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    This is a thread to compare the same songs performed by different artists, and discuss who did the song better and why. I'll start out with...



    Compared to



    For me, there is no comparison. Cash's version is far more powerful than the original by Nine Inch Nails. This doesn't take away from Reznor's original. It feels like someone who feels shame and self-loathing after the most recent of many benders; but the youth in his voice holds some hope that this was his "moment of clarity" that will inspire him to change his life. The Johnny Cash version OTOH, is much more poignant. It has the tone of someone who has looked over the sum total of his life, and feels a lifetime's worth of regret. In this version, he is pondering all the awful things done over the course of his life, while at the same time lamenting that it is far too late to change. Reznor's version is shame over one moment too many, while Cash's version is of bitter regret over an entire (long) lifetime wasted. Of course, there is the additional emotional weight that this was the last song released by Johnny Cash before he died, so there is that.

    Feel free to post your own comparisons, and we can banter back and forth about all of them :cool:[face_coffee]
     
  2. Diggy

    Diggy Chosen One star 8

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    My wife and I were discussing this very song the other day, and came to the same conclusion; Cash is king.
     
  3. Ramza

    Ramza Administrator Emeritus star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Jeez, kicking it off with the "Hurt" cover debate? This is already harder than Sophie's choice.
     
  4. TiniTinyTony

    TiniTinyTony JCC Super Bowl Pick 'Em Winner star 7 VIP - Game Winner

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    Easy:
    The nurse who loved me - A Perfect Circle vs Failure

    Hard:
    Hooked on a Feeling - Blue Swede vs B.J. Thomas

    Even though Failure wrote the song, I like A Perfect Circle's version better.

    Hooked on a Feeling is more a mood thing. Sometimes I don't want the "oooga chaka" of Blue Swede and it gets me pumped up. Sometimes I just want to hear Mr. Thomas's beautiful voice.
     
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  5. Jedi Merkurian

    Jedi Merkurian Future Films Rumor Naysayer star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    Here's another one...



    Compared to



    But then I also heard about...



    @Ramza THIS is the "Sophie's Choice" for me :p There's soooo much emotion in each of these versions. The rawness of Chance's voice gives it enough emotional "oomph" to at least stand in the same proverbial room as George Michael and Stevie Wonder.

    Wow, though! Such heavy songs on the first day of Spring! Maybe I need to go outside for awhile...:p
     
  6. Sith_Sensei__Prime

    Sith_Sensei__Prime Chosen One star 6

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    As much as I adore Dolly Parton, her version of "I will always love you" is pretty mild and fell under the radar.



    However, Whitney Houston's version of the song just crushed the Billboard charts. Whitney's big voice and range definitely carried the song to the top of the charts. So much so, that people wanted to be nominated for an Oscar not knowing it was a remake.

     
  7. cubman987

    cubman987 Friendly Neighborhood Saga/Music/Fun & Games Mod star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    I think for "Hurt" the Cash version is the best version but I like the NIN version better, if that makes sense.
     
  8. Sith_Sensei__Prime

    Sith_Sensei__Prime Chosen One star 6

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    Speaking of "The Man in Black," his song I Walk the Line is a fun tune. A song you could tap your feet to.



    I live the band "Live" cover of Johnny Cash's I Walk the Line much better than the original because of the changes in the arrangements and modern alternative rock take on the song. The spin gives the song a bit more drama and less folksy. Alternative rock is my jam.
     
  9. Juliet316

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    For me NIN's version of 'Hurt' is great, but Cash's version speaks to me more. A song that Cash didn't write, that originated in a completely different music genre for Cash's spoke more about his life than a lot of the tributes to him that came out after his death. The video only enhances that feeling.
     
  10. Jedi Merkurian

    Jedi Merkurian Future Films Rumor Naysayer star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    Unpopular opinion: I prefer the original recorded by The Family (trivia: The Family features Susannah Melvoin, the twin sister of Prince & the Revolution guitarist Wendy Melvoin. I'm like "there are two of them?!?" :eek:=P~)


    Also, I've been trying (unsuccessfully) to find the original version of "I Feel 4 U" by Prince, to compare to Chaka Khan's version
     
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  11. Rogue1-and-a-half

    Rogue1-and-a-half Manager Emeritus who is writing his masterpiece star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Yeah, I think I have to go with the conventional wisdom and say I prefer the Cash version of Hurt. I like Reznor's version too and it plays better as the final song on The Downward Spiral than as a separate song, if that makes any sense; it really fits in with the album and its deliberate anti-climax. But Cash is just so raw and the soundscape Rubin fashions is so bleak and grim.

    I like Dolly Parton's version of I Will Always Love You. It's more restrained and the emotion feels more genuine to me. She doesn't have the strength of Whitney Houston, but I just reject this notion that every song needs to be turned into a super-intense arena-epic. Maybe this song is best when it's about a quiet emotion, something Houston never encountered in her whole life apparently. The song is, in my opinion, meant to be bittersweet, not "screaming at the top of my lungs" posturing. I mean, I'll still sing along with the Houston version, but Parton's version is, you know, way more nuanced and emotional.
     
  12. Sith_Sensei__Prime

    Sith_Sensei__Prime Chosen One star 6

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    Talk Talk's "It's my life" is definitely a song reflective of the new wave sounds of the 80's with the strong electronic keyboard and somewhat whiny sounding vocals. As such, it's a classic.


    No Doubt's modern take on the song was wonderful as they made it their own with more emphasis on the beats of the bass guitar and drums. Additionally, they did a wonderful job giving the original vibes.



    In this matchup, I have to say No Doubt did it better. But, I bias towards No Doubt.
     
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  13. solojones

    solojones Chosen One star 10

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    As soon as I saw this theadt title I thought of Hurt. And yes, Johnny Cash did it better. He had a lifetime of woes, but crucially also then had great years. So he actually knew very well what regret was. Having read both his autobiographies, I know he regretted things from his youth and really would have done things differently if he could start again. He had grown into an incredibly wise man by then.

    Honestly, this entire thread could be Johnny Cash vs. someone else's version and I'd pick Cash 9/10 times. Yes he's my favorite artist ever, but this is why. He really understood the stories within each song and made you truly feel them.

    Also let's be honest, his Hurt has the best music video of all time. It helps.

    Hurt is the song that made me really pay attention to Johnny Cash as a teenager. There's a good reason. Cash all the way on this one.


    The minor key soft rock here seems like a pat way to do a reinterpretation of a song, sorry. To me it misses the actual tone and point of the song. It's an earnest song, a song about trying to keep a promise. But it ought to stay earnest in my mind. When it goes dark it frankly loses that meaning, IMHO.



    As for "I Will Always Love You", I will definitely side with the Dolly crowd here. I agree it's more authentic. Whitney feels like she's on a grand movie soundtrack, Dolly sounds like she's in a Nashville bar singing this sincerely.

    Fun fact, this song isn't about romantic love as written. It was about her longtime business/creative partner, whom she would no longer be working with. To me somehow that makes it more unique and sweet.
     
  14. Todd the Jedi

    Todd the Jedi Mod and Loving Tyrant of SWTV, Lit, & Collecting star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Yeah I recently visited the Johnny Cash museum in Nashville and the last room in the exhibit featured elements from the Hurt video, such as his ring and the actual chair he sat in. Plus they had the music video on loop.

    Now for my pick-





    It's really hard to top the Beatles when they're at their best, but somehow Joe Cocker managed to do just that. He utterly transformed a kind of jolly upbeat tune into this powerfully soulful ballad, completely making it his own thing.

    I do love the Ringo version, but the Cocker version is just in a league of its own.
     
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  15. Juliet316

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    Oh the Cocker version. Hands down for me. First time I listened to it, it was the theme song for The Wonder Years, and I've loved it ever since. It's similar to Cash and Hurt, where Cocker put all his soul and emotion into that song, despite not being the original artist.
     
  16. Juke Skywalker

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    I believe I read that the first time Trent Reznor heard Cash's cover of "Hurt" he instantly knew that it wasn't his song anymore. That kinda speaks volumes. That's not to disparage the original though. It's interesting to listen to them back-to-back and compare the same lyrics coming from the mouth of a young man and a man at the end of his life. Changes the entire context.

    David Bowie's classic "Heroes" has been remade any number of times. The Wallflowers had the most commercial success of those remakes, and their version has slick commercial appeal (It was used in Roland Emmerich's Godzilla [face_plain]), but it lacks soul. Bowie contemporary Peter Gabriel did manage to both do it justice and make it his own w/his version (recently featured in S2 of Stranger Things), but for me, nothing beats the original.





     
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  17. Jedi Merkurian

    Jedi Merkurian Future Films Rumor Naysayer star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    I see the point of Parton's version being more intimate than Houston's. And maybe it's my nostalgia talking, but I prefer the original version of It's My Life. Nothing against No Doubt, though.

    For your consideration:



     
  18. Sarge

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    CCR, by a long shot. They sound like they're singing. Ike and Tina just sound like they're yelling. They do have a lot of energy, but it's not very musical.
     
  19. Juliet316

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    Proud Mary's one of those where it depends on my mood which version I like to hear.
     
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  20. solojones

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    CCR. A solo Tina version and we could talk. But I despise Ike. Also, I don't like his singing.
     
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  21. Todd the Jedi

    Todd the Jedi Mod and Loving Tyrant of SWTV, Lit, & Collecting star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Yeah I don't think anyone could beat Bowie with that particular song. Though I do greatly enjoy the version Postmodern Jukebox did that features in some Heineken commercials.



    Some of Seu Jorge's covers from Life Aquatic are pretty good too.
     
  22. Jedi Merkurian

    Jedi Merkurian Future Films Rumor Naysayer star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    Huh. I prefer Turner’s version. CCR’s version sounds too “laid back” for my tastes.
     
  23. Healer_Leona

    Healer_Leona Squirrel Wrangler of Fun & Games star 9 Staff Member Manager

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    Cash over NIN for me.

    Hooked on a Feeling - I also adore BJ Thomas' voice and his version hooks me right in the heart.

    Whitney over Dolly - that twang in Dolly's voice always turns me off.

    Proud Mary - that's a tough one as I love both versions.







    I will admit I don't remember hearing this song until I got into Jeff Buckley, but he makes the song special and it's not even my favorite song of his (it's Grace- one of my top 5 songs)
     
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  24. Master_Lok

    Master_Lok Force Ghost star 6

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    I just posted Voodoo Child in what are you listening to thread recently. As much as I love Jimi Hendrix, I was floored at how great Stevie Ray Vaughn's cover was. I like SRV's better, he plays with such emotion.

    Stevie...


    Jimi...


    --

    Heroes...will always be David Bowie for me. Though I like the Peter Gabriel cover.
     
  25. Rogue1-and-a-half

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    I'm a huge Leonard Cohen fan and a fan of his vocals, not just his songwriting. But on Hallelujah, Buckley is just . . . breathtaking. It's a perfect example of taking a song to the next level. Love Cohen, but Buckley's version of Hallelujah is just beyond reproach; it's as near perfect as music gets.

    As to Heroes, that's just Bowie's song. Gabriel's version is . . . wow, I actually think it's pretty bad. Bowie's original is just so brain meltingly epic. It's one of those songs that just moves me intensely every time I hear it.

    And I have to go with the Ike & Tina version of Proud Mary. I'm usually not a fan of those "let's take a mid-tempo song and just turn it into a riotous meltdown" covers but the last half of Ike & Tina's version is just so visceral. Pure ecstatic frenzy.
     
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