Amph END OF LINE: TRON, Uprising, Legacy & Ares

As far as CGI allows.

Maybe one of the writers likes folk art/music?
Like this guy.

 

i was sorely disappointed in the movie. i can remember seeing the original and immediately going to the arcade to play the video game. i was hoping Sam would enter the grid like Flynn. you know, doing the spread eagle. i think i even did it as i watched. the story was just so lacking. Flynn says "Dude" how many times? and father and son act like they just saw each other yesterday. and if you didnt see Castor as the turncoat, i mean he had the crazy eye as soon as you see him. i think was hacked me off the most was i paid $75 for the five of us to see it at the imax and i left feeling like i had been raped by a bright yellow light. my sons loved it. but, when they talk about it all they could go on about was the daft punk doods doing DJ. i thought CLU was the most exciting thing about it.

 

Tron Legacy Revisited.

Upon the second viewing on New years eve:

The main problem I found to be with the film was that the protagonist Sam Flynn played by Garret Hedlund is poorly fleshed out. When the rebellious Sam is reunited with his long-lost genius father Kevin Flynn, his character motive disintegrates. And doesn't return until the last 25mins of the film. For the rest of the movie, there is no narrative and a strong protagonist to follow. The plot meanders between Clu's 2.0 CGI snarling, Quorra's profile enhanced by Olivia Wilde and the infrequent screen time of Kevin Flynn himself (Jeff Bridges). The movie does however improve by the scene chewing Michael Sheen playing Castor. And as for the valiant Tron (Bruce Boxleiter) for which the original movie is named, his redemption is only an after thought.  

Tron: Legacy at times strives for greatness but isn't concrete in it's footing. Unlike the first Matrix film, which succeeds in postulating a possible world outside our own. Flynn's solution to an ideal world is touched upon, whereby he gives only some slight insight into the dimensions of the utopian model; self creating programs, or otherwise "Isomorph" beings. The recent Tron "redesign" just sputters into the consciousness like an uncontrollable light cycle then abruptly veers off direction.

Watching this movie in Imax 3-D was an other-worldly experience, where I throughly enjoyed and I was quite saddened to realize that an end was soon to come. This film is glorious to look at, and I felt like an inhabitant of the "The Grid". Almost as if I was like one of those floating moths drawn to a bright and beautiful blue neon flame, my anticipation grew and fluttered towards the final end scene, however I felt the "zap" of a unsatisfying ending and the snap back into a knowing familiar world.

After seeing the movie a second time, I felt fuller by the experience, there's so much visual distractions the first time, that the second layer doesn't become clear. Tron: Legacy begins with the search for a lost father, the discovery of a new world, and returns with a new found knowledge that will bring hope to our world. This high-concept has worked successfully before in such films as Star Wars, and The Matrix. This time the latest Tron foray shoots for the stars but lands just short of the moon.

 

You sound like a critical journalist, you should look into it. Okay, I'm confused by a number of things this film does not explain. The Clu program from Tron Legacy clearly can not be the same Clu program from the original film, since he was derezzed early in the film. The original film ends with Kevin Flynn getting control of Enron from the previous CEO Dillinger. I'm guessing he then creates another Clu program to redesign the "grid" after the destruction of the MCP. Then sometime in between the two films this Clu program betrays him, in true Darth Vader fashion. The ending of Tron Legacy is kind of confusing. (here is the part where you leave this thread if you haven't seen Tron Legacy) For one thing, what the hell happened to Kevin Flynn? Did he die? All I saw was Clu got absorbed into him and then Flynn lit up like an electronic Santa Clause. It didn't make sense that Quorra could leave the "grid" since she is a program. This suggests that programs who leave the "grid" become flesh and blood. How does that make sense? Lastly I will say this: what is the device that Sam hangs around his neck at the end of the film?

 

I'll guess at a couple of your answers:
Quorra had Flynn's disk.
The necklace was a flash drive big enough to hold the entire grid (sligh difference in technology since the grid was built).
The laser that disintegrates people, buts them into the grid, and allows them out but re-molecularizing them (didn't think I'd ever use that word), can also take the information of humanoid programs and build them based on their program form and a DNA super widget extrapolator?

Who is going to explain the joys of female biology to Quorra the computer program? Where is she going to get her SSN and other ID?

 

Didn't they also establish that Quorra was an ISO not a program, in essence a living being?? I am not sure how that works exactly, but that might have something to do with why she can be given flesh and blood in the real world.

 

The design on the flash drive being the same as the identity disc is probably because, Flynn's discos became the flash drive when Sam left the grid, since it couldn't exist as a disc in the real world. By the way have you played or watched Tron Evolution? It explains how CLU 2.0 went bad. It was a virus.

 

Ya know your last point was what I was thinking about the most. If Sam and Quorra were headed toward a romantic relationship, (which the end of the film suggest they were) in the real world you wonder how Quorra would handle it if Sam took her to a restaurant. It would be like a scene from "Cocoon." Her unfamiliarity with the real world, might be funny. It was funny in this scene: Quorra:You know Jules Verne?Samf course.Quorra:What's he like? Something that I keep seeing in films like this is the Sci-fi hopeless romantic bit, It's starting to get on my nerves, because it really doesn't work like that. It's basically where the hero or heroine (it is usually the hero) has no love life can't find the right girl and then they finally find them in some fantastical world or across time or something. May be that's why I can't find her she must be in some digital world.

 

I was never entirely sure on that part. Flynn's disc was the master key to the Grid was part of why everyone was after it.

But I was never sure if Clu planned to materialize his whole army. As Clu was a direct copy of Flynn (based on that mirror scene where he was created), as well as having more powers than normal as he was supposed to continue building the Grid in Flynn's absence, I thought maybe the disc would work for him, as he's perhaps a physical copy of Flynn too. Not sure about anybody else though.

Obviously Quorra didn't end up looking like Flynn outside, but then there was that scene where Flynn was accessing her program and what looked like a DNA helix showed up. So one of my theories is that one way that ISOs differed from normal programs was that they had DNA or something, a new form of life, and that's part of why Flynn thought they could change so many fields.

So, not sure if any program with Flynn's disc could've escaped, if Clu (as Flynn's copy) with Flynn's disc could've escaped and then connected that isolated server to the rest of the world, or if Quorra could've left on her own, or if even she needed Flynn's disc to leave. Either that or that was just a switch so that Clu would go for Flynn's disc only to discover he wasn't wearing it anymore, giving Sam enough time to escape.

Seems like Sam downloaded the entire Grid onto that flash drive at the end. Kind of funny that all the data contained on those big, ancient servers can now fit into something that'll fit in the palm of your hand.

Not sure what he'd do with it, but then, its hard to speculate what shape the Grid would be in now, with Clu gone, and probably most of Clu's army gone too, and Tron missing and Flynn somewhere (though Flynn lives, of course ). If there's ever a sequel, let's hope they go into that.

 

Here's a pretty good elucidation by Kevin Flynn himself about the differences between ISOs and programs, enjoy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYoJsapy_fA

 

I haven't played through the Tron game, and wikipedia isn't always the most accurate place, but based on Youtube videos I thought Clu created the virus villain of the game? Seems to weaken the story if all of Clu's crimes can just be blamed on a virus. From what I've seen, the game just shows how... cruel Clu has become.

Huh, I knew Amazon had an exclusive track, and not surprised Itunes had a few exclusive tracks too, but didn't realize getting the complete movie soundtrack would require going to so many sources. And I thought video game retailers went all-out with pre-order specials for the big games. Is it too old-fashioned of me that I just bought the CD? Oh well, at least it still had most of the major tracks (Derezzed, Game Has Changed, Ending Credits, etc.). Wonder if they'll ever release another CD with everything on it.

 

Tron Legacy Chronological Track List:

1. The Grid
2. The Son of Flynn
3. Encom pt. 1
4. Encom pt. 2
5. Overture
6. Recognizer
7. Armory
8. Arena
9. Round One
10.Rinzler
11.The Game has Changed
12.Father and Son
13.Outland pt.1
14.Outland pt.2
15.Adagio for Tron
16.End of Line
17.Castor
18.Derezzed
19.Fall
20.Sea of Simulation
21.Sunrise Prelude
22.Reflections
23.Recifier
24.Disc Wars
25.C.L.U
26.Arrival
27.Flynn Lives
28.Finale
29.Tron Legacy Credits
30.Solar Sailor

Music Screening Order
*This does not include Journey's "Separate Worlds" and Eurythmics "Sweet Dreams (Are Made of These).

 

To answer one of my own questions, looks like Rinzler was named after Lucasfilm's Rinzler due to the making of book being on thhe table during story meetings.

Now, if i can only figure out the furthest distance an identity disc was thown i'll be all set.

 

Here are the adjustments I'd make:

• End of Line, then Castor, then Reflections (which is intercut with Castor)


• C.L.U. prior to Rectifier

Finale I'm really not sure about, though it wouldn't surprise me if it is after the End Titles music, since credits running for 7:39 seems believable for an FX blockbuster.

Solar Sailer is used while Flynn repairs Quorra, IIRC--I'm 99% sure it appears. Sunset Prelude is used during the sunset discussion on the solar sailer and is reprised during the closing sunset scene. And the organs in Outlands, Pt. II appear as Sam rides the elevator to the club, I think.

 

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