Amph END OF LINE: TRON, Uprising, Legacy & Ares

I had heard the term Tron City before, although it was never really brought up in the movie, and anyway, with Clu in charge, the official name of the city doesn't really matter that much.

Huh, nice to get confirmation that over a thousand years had passed on the Grid, and wow, guess that proves that Flynn really did age slower in there. And ouch, literally a millennium without seeing his son or another human being, no wonder he's so distant (or had to just stat meditating to pass the time). The way the site phrases it makes it sound like those were an interesting thousand years, but Evolution covers Flynn's coup and Quorra's escape, and so after that I had thought it was mostly just Clu consolidating his power.

The Uprising cartoon is supposed to happen during that interval, right? If its just set during Clu's coup, then it'll strike me like the prequels, in that they'll fight, but they can't win. Not to mention, even in the movie itself Flynn mentions that though he fight, Clu just got stronger (probably using any resistance as an excuse to clamp down even further). Unless the cartoon focuses on the rebellious factions against Clu- not that powerful, but they're there, enough to try and appeal for Zuse to unite them, and Flynn was waiting to see if they could topple Clu (although not likely given Clu's army and what he could do to programs).

Flynn's wife (and Sam's mother) is seen in the Betrayal comic, the first half ends with her giving birth to Sam.

 

In exchange for providing tech support, Clu made a deal with his facebook friend, Clu-Thu-lu. Little did Clu know that this was the same virus from the other stories...

 

Hm, now that you mention that... I think the Betrayal comic might've had a prelude to that. I don't own all of it (hm, maybe gotta get around to buying it sometime), but in the first part, when Flynn is still building the City with Tron and Clu, he suddenly gets a phone call on his cell phone (not quite sure cell phones were that widespread in the 80s, but oh well, maybe Flynn built it himself, considering he was already thinking about wi-fi years before anyone else).

The programs are surprised that Flynn can communicate with the outside just like that, as it was supposedly impossible (given they're on a closed system) as Flynn talks to someone (his wife I think). Clu just looks jealous and plotting in the background. This issue came out before the movie, but hm, never connected those incidents before. Now, that was back when the Portal was open, so that could be why Flynn could receive phone calls from outside. But then there's the question of how someone in the Grid can communicate with the outside with the time lag (like a reply could take days to arrive, given hours in there are seconds outside), but then the original movie had the same thing, when Tron was able to contact Alan-1 (I think that's what Tron called his User), so its not without precedent at least.

I'm not sure if this theory was intended, but maybe since Flynn could get phone calls on the Grid, maybe Clu eventually got Flynn's phone, or it took him centuries to find a way to punch a phone signal out to Flynn's old friend, who knows. Yeah, the portal's closed, but if there was a signal in, maybe Clu eventually figured out how to send a signal out.

Oh yeah, I think the Art of Tron Legacy book mentioned the Tron City name (as well as having lots of nice tidbits about the development of the movie, like the years long struggle to make a Tron sequel). They'll eventually clear up the timeline, hopefully. My memory of how Betrayal portrayed the coup is unfortunately a bit blurry now. My recollection is probably flawed, but in the comic I thought Clu ambushed them with his new Blackguards, Tron held them off so Flynn could escape, and then he was overwhelmed and they left him for dead, but after they left, he got back up and limped away. I think I flipped through a bookstore copy before I saw the movie, so I was surprised when in the movie it turned out Rinzler was Tron. Of course, in the movie itself we see that Flynn barely got away as he heard Tron screaming, and then its implied the Clu converted Tron into Rinzler at that point. There's still some room, like saying Clu just subdued Tron and locked him up, Tron broke out and then later after the resistance failed Tron was converted into Rinzler. But then Flynn said he never saw Tron after he had escaped, which implies that Tron wasn't part of any resistance Flynn managed to throw together in the early days after the Coup. I've only glanced at a few Evolution videos, so I'm not sure how much time the game itself covers. I know the beginning is when Clu supposedly agrees to share power with the ISOs and the end is Quorra crashing in the Outlands and Flynn finding her, but not sure about the middle. Oh well, here's hoping Uprising is easier to follow.

 

I'm now of the opinion that the entire sequence is Sea of Simulation/Sunrise Prelude. I don't hear Solar Sailer at all.

I think the final arcade scene is reused Father and Son, which makes sense, thematically.

 

Sea of Simulation is just really buried in the mix, I think. I find it easy to spot because, as you say, it's so distinctive.

I really like the track, actually--it's nicely retro and reminds me of the Vangelis tracks used in Carl Sagan's Cosmos.

 

By the way, T2Q, I watched the Evolution walkthrough on YouTube and I enjoyed it more than Betrayal. The gameplay gets a bit monotonous, but the story is quite effective at presenting a set-up to the film. Plenty of Quorra and CLU in particular, and it feels like a bridge between the tones of the two films. Plus it's always cool hearing Bruce Boxleitner.

 

The Dvd better have a soundtrack only viewing option...

Speaking of, are there any notable sci-fi films other than The Matrix that do give you an option to view the film with only the soundtrack?

 

That option won't be on the DVD. Kosinski asked about the possibility but was knocked back by Disney because it'd eat into soundtrack sales.

 

I could understand if Daft Punk were concerned about soundtrack sales if a soundtrack only option was available on the dvd, but Disney, what do they care?

I think it would be very poor if they didn't allow for this viewing option as I would love to watch the whole movie without the dialogue.

 

The soundtrack in on the Walt Disney Records label, so Disney has as much of a stake in soundtrack sales as Daft Punk, if not more.

 

The Sixth Day or 6th Day (whichever).
Decent Arnie SF movie.

 

First, I wanted to say thanks to you guys for sequencing the tracks. I've always been terrible at doing this myself

Although I'm almost certain this has been mentioned before, one thing that I find as a really nice touch is the fact that Tron's suit has the 4-square T design similar to the original movie.

 

Yeah, me too. I didn't pick up on it on my first viewing, but once you know, it's a great visual link.

Also, Boxleitner's voice is very recognisable when he says "User..." in the initial disc game.

 

Wait, some DVDs have a soundtrack only option?! Huh, never heard of that. Then again, most movies don't have a soundtrack as good as this one, so the thought never really occurred to me. Hm, maybe they could make it Blu-ray only? Disney is pushing their Blu-ray collection a lot, especially by including DVD versions (probably to get more people to pick up the Blu-ray version just in case they get Blu-ray players in the future).

Gotta get around to watching more of Evolution, or even buying it someday. I've seen the ending and beginning, but don't there's a "story scene only" list of videos yet, and its kind of hard to keep waiting for 10 minute videos to load only to find there's about 30 seconds important stuff with the rest being random gameplay.

Was the End of Line Club really that bright? Hm, maybe I'll go rewatch the movie one more time before it disappears from theaters. I just thought that when Castor told the DJs to change the music that was some secret signal to call the Blackguard or something like that.

I do wonder if they'll clear up the timeline. Betrayal shows Tron surviving Clu's initial attack and riding off, presumably to continue the fight (which is why during the movie I was saddened to see that Tron had been corrupted to become Rinzler, Clu's top warrior). Flynn's dialogue indicates that was the last time he saw Tron (and the first time Rinzler and Flynn met face to face, he started to remember). Maybe it could just be chalked up as being based on an earlier version of the script (Transformers and even Star Wars' tie-in fiction has that problem sometimes).

I sometimes wonder about when Tron started dual-wielding discs if that was the moment he was infected. He was just desperately trying to give Flynn time to escape, but still, something about the expression when Tron saw he was holding two discs. He quickly adapted to fighting with two, but still. And yeah, the movie made it look like that was when Tron was converted by Clu, as Flynn escape.

By the way, we all know by now that Quorra is an Iso. Was there an explanation for why she looked like a Program? Well, its mostly a cosmetic difference, just that even during the opening of Evolution, we see what the rest of the Isos look like (with the white glowing clothes), but Quorra is already sneaking around in black. Unless she was already worried and hid her identity just in case. Gotta go watch more cutscenes eventually.

 

Gibson (from Evolution) is an ISO, too, and he looks like this. Black clothes, etc.

 

So I wonder if they'll use The Clone Wars as a template for how to successfully make an animated spinoff based on a SF film series.

I'd be quite happy if TRON lived on in a form similar to TCW, so long as Lisberger stays involved and computer science experts are kept on as consultants.

 

I wouldn't mind a TCW style re-image for the Tron Cartoon--sort of a dark version of ReBoot...

 

Huh, I just thought Flynn used to dream about Tron in the early days of his exile, but as time passed, the dreams faded. Although given that the site says a millennium has passed in the Grid, wonder exactly what Flynn meant by years (decades, centuries?).

I noticed the Center City sign here and there during my viewing, but I just assumed that they were using a made-up name (sorta like how DC uses names like Metropolis, Central City, Gotham City, etc.).

 

Just wanting to confirm after seeing the movie again and checking out Evolution (pictures below), but it appears that Tron has white coloring instead of blue. Any idea why?
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