Amph Engage! The Star Trek: TNG General Discussion

Discussion in 'Community' started by Constant_shadow, Jan 3, 2006.

  1. Everton Chosen One

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    I've just realised the one thing that no TNG thread could be complete without...

    Data's Poetry. :D [face_dancing] - taken from the episode Schisms.

    Title Unknown

    Then we sat on the sand for some time and observed
    How the oceans that cover this world were perturbed
    By the tides from the orbiting moon overhead
    'How relaxing the sound of the waves is,' you said.

    I began to expound upon tidal effects
    When you told me to stop, looking somewhat perplexed
    So I did not explain why the sunset turned red
    And we watched the occurrence in silence instead.




    and of course the all time classic...


    Ode To Spot

    Felis Cattus, is your taxonomic nomenclature,
    an endothermic quadruped carnivorous by nature?
    Your visual, olfactory and auditory senses
    contribute to your hunting skills, and natural defenses.

    I find myself intrigued by your subvocal oscillations,
    a singular development of cat communications
    that obviates your basic hedonistic predilection
    for a rhythmic stroking of your fur, to demonstrate affection.

    A tail is quite essential for your acrobatic talents;
    you would not be so agile if you lacked its counterbalance.
    And when not being utilized to aide in locomotion,
    it often serves to illustrate the state of your emotion.

    O Spot, the complex levels of behaviour you display
    connote a fairly well-developed cognitive array.
    And though you are not sentient, Spot, and do not comprehend,
    I nonetheless consider you a true and valued friend.




    Now I don't know about you, but as a cat owner, this poem really gets to me. It may not appear (at first) to be the most heartfelt of compositions, but by the end I get quite emotional. Data's inability to spot emotion has, inadvertantly, managed to pinpoint a very true emotion that I feel for my cats. Often Data's quest to become a human and emulate humanity leads him down some ill-advised and confusing paths... but other times the fact that his mind isn't clouded by that which clouds our minds can see him slice right through to the meat of the matter. I think it's a wonderful scene.
  2. Jesina_Dreis Jedi Master

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    Nov 8, 2004
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    It's interesting... because it certainly seems like Data is indeed feeling emotion toward the cat, just by virtue of the fact that he's chosen to come up with an Ode to Spot. He obviously feels attachment...

    And one thing I couldn't get; throughout everything, Data always seemed to feel friendship and concern for the rest of his crewmates. Wouldn't that qualify as some form of emotion?
  3. Everton Chosen One

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    Jul 18, 2003
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    I often think (to begin with at least) he is acting in a manner he has observed as 'human'.
  4. Rogan_Agar Jedi Master

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    Dec 1, 2004
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    Oh those poems are awesome...

    I agree that "The Inner Light" is one of the best episodes, but if I had to choose one episode which represents TREK the best, it would be: "Darmok".
    It is classical STAR TREK: Humans meet new species, and learn to talk with them while working together.
  5. DarthBabe Jedi Grand Master

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    Mar 18, 2002
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    I love TNG!!! It's the only Star Trek I ever really watched. I've been wanting to see this episode from the first season again...I don't remember what it's called...but the crew had contracted this disease that made everyone drunk or something. I especially like it as Data was hilarious in it.
  6. Juliet316 Chosen One

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    Apr 27, 2005
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    It's titled the Naked Now. It was a remake from TOS original episode.
  7. Everton Chosen One

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    Jul 18, 2003
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    Speaking of Darmok, I found this attempt at a Darmok Dictionary on a web archive:

    http://web.archive.org/web/20050307080131/http://www.chaparraltree.com/sflang/darmok.shtml

    It's quite good really. :)
  8. Rogan_Agar Jedi Master

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    Dec 1, 2004
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    This one if great Everton!!!

    Thanks a lot.

    Patrick Stewart mentioned recently (again) that he is in talks for the next TREK film.

    I would love to see another family reunion in TREK XI!
  9. RK_Striker_JK_5 Force Ghost

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    Jul 2, 2003
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    That was a great episode. 'Picard and Dathon at El Adrel.' They spoke in metaphors! Brilliant!
  10. ObiWanCon Force Ghost

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    Apr 15, 2004
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    I love Star Trek and Star Trek: The Next Generation is my favourite series and here's the crew.



    [image=http://sfon.tv/Television/S/Star_Trek/Star_Trek_TNG/Images/STTNG_Enterprise_Crew.jpg]
  11. Everton Chosen One

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    Jul 18, 2003
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    I'd say that was from the 5th or 6th season.
  12. redsabreanakin Jedi Grand Master

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    Feb 16, 2005
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    Does anyone else think that the NG cast were better actors but didn't translate well to the big screen, and that the TOS were inferior actors but just had a charisma and screen prescense (sp) that fit the big screen very well. I think it's kinda of a wierd dynamic to me.

    I liked TNG very much; not as much as TOS, but very close. I thought the earlier episodes were good..Seasons 1-3; but then I kinda felt it got a little too serious for itself. I kinda got lost in some of the episodes. One of my favorites is (and I won't get this right) but it's
    101110011 hehe.. or something like that. 1st season when the binars steal the enterprise. I always liked "Cause and Effect" also.
  13. Sara_Kenobi Force Ghost

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    Sep 21, 2000
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    I hope they can work things out for a new film. My dreams of another spin-off TV series for TNG died a long while ago.
  14. KnightWriter Administrator Emeritus

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    Nov 6, 2001
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    First Contact translated the crew just fine onto the big screen. It was brilliantly done, and remains one of TNG's finest moments. Why they followed it up with such duds is beyond me. It staggers me to think that this November marks ten years since First Contact was released.
  15. Jesina_Dreis Jedi Master

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    Nov 8, 2004
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    Thank you, KW, for making me feel old :p
  16. RK_Striker_JK_5 Force Ghost

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    Jul 2, 2003
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    Oh, I saw that movie in the theaters...

    My second favorite ST movie, but my favorite TNG movie. 'The line must be drawn here! This far, and no farther!'

    And that opening battle between Starfleet and the cube... Damn!
  17. Everton Chosen One

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    Jul 18, 2003
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    So which of TNG's two part episodes do you think is the best, and which is your favourite?

    Season One:

    Encounter at Farpoint

    Season Three / Four:

    The Best of Both Worlds

    Season Four / Five:

    Redemption

    Season Five:

    Unification

    Season Five / Six:

    Time's Arrow

    Season Six:

    Chain of Command
    Birthright

    Season Six / Seven:

    Descent

    Season Seven:

    Gambit
    All Good Things...

    ...

    I'd say that Chain of Command is my favourite, and The Best of Both Worlds is the best.
  18. Qkey Jedi Knight

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    Nov 14, 2005
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    Not all Q are as bad a the Q who bothers the Enterpise and her crew.
  19. Sara_Kenobi Force Ghost

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    Sep 21, 2000
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    It's so hard to believe it's been so long since First Contact. That was a fantastic stand-out in the film series. It held the feeling of the series very well through out the film. The only one to come close in my book was Insurrection.

    My favorite season cliffhanger was The Best of Both Worlds. That stands out as one of my favorites of the entire show. It was such a shock to see Picard on the viewer as a Borg, and then you hear the order by Riker to Worf to fire.

    That was one heck of a long summer to the next season. :p

  20. Juliet316 Chosen One

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    Apr 27, 2005
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    Has it seriously been almost ten (in November) years since First Contact came out in theaters? I remember seeing that with my High School Sci - Fi club and I thought it was one of the best Trek films I had seen up to that point.

    I think part of my enjoyment of that film was the throughline that harkened back to Best of Both Worlds. I always thought Picard adjusted wayyy too easily after those episodes (Reunion and I,Borg nothwithstanding). I think from a psychological standpoint it was great that the script told the story of a man who still deals with the intense violation the borg forced upon him and the residual effects, including a connection to the Borg that Picard fights throughout the movie, almost to the point of near - annhilation of not only himself but his crew as well.

    The story, both on Earth and on the Enterprise was enjoyable enough for me to suspend disbelief over certain elements like in the canon of Earth's First Contact (James Cromwell is a brilliant actor) and the change in social struction of the borg (the delieciously evil Borg Queen played by Alice Krieg).

    Overall a brilliant film that unfortunately the two subsequent films were never able to match.
  21. aPPmaSTer Force Ghost

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    Dec 23, 2004
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    I was a big TNG fan back in the day, and I'm just really curious if they're planning on making any other movies? The last two were a bitter disappointment for me to be honest...I don't think I ever watched Nemesis once without falling asleep. I think that TNG should really be working hard at redeeming itself. Maybe I'm just being selfish cuz I want another ST movie...DS9 or Voyager would be cool also...
  22. Rogan_Agar Jedi Master

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    Dec 1, 2004
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    God... Ten years. Incredible.

    I wonder how modern the movie still looks today. When you watched TREK IV in 1996 it looked old, eventhough it was just 10 years old.

    I hope for a reunion with the best crew, of the best spaceship ever.
  23. Juliet316 Chosen One

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    Apr 27, 2005
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    I last saw it, I think at least a year ago Rogan, and it still holds up pretty well. of course the ten year jump is not as severe on First Contact as it was on The Voyage Home (20 years since that film!) Primarily because while there is a great leap in tech today, there isn't a huge cultural leap from 10 years ago as there was from '86 (When The Voyage Home was released), and '96 (First Contact).

    I think you could look at First Contact today and not see any age on it at all. I think that's primarily due to the storytelling and backdrop of the film as opposed to The Voyage Home, in which the bulk of that film took place in '86 (where a lot of it's age is noticable):)

    I too hope for one last TNG film. They didn't deserve the send - off Nemisis gave them.

    One thing on my wish list? BRING BACK DATA!!!!!!!:_| :_| :_|
  24. Everton Chosen One

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    Jul 18, 2003
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    No. They made the decision to kill Data, and even if one doesn't like the way he went (I happen to) to bring him back would devalue his death and devalue Nemesis even more.
  25. Darth_Duck Force Ghost

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    Oct 13, 2000
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    Chain of Command for both. Favourite, while naturally, even though I thought some of the staff were jerks toward Jellicon for no other reason than he wasn't Picard. The best? Heck yeah. Patrick Stewarts performance as Gul Madred tortures Picard was astoundingly powerful.