ST Episode 7 - parallels to TPM and ANH

*cough*Yin and Yang*cough*

 

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*drops dead*

 

Where can I see your Xmas special, Internets?

 

To be honest, after seeing Kylo Ren´s mask I can´t stop thinking about the felling TFA is tranmiting me: remake?. I see a lot of references and parallels to the OT and ANH. New droid, new alien, new trio, but so many influences of the OT there. X-Wings, Tatooine, the quest, the lost master, the superweapon and the baddie´s mask.

I won´t deny that I like what I see, but we can´t deny how closely they are following some of the OT ideas.

 

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I think if a parallel to ANH and TPM is needed to be done, then in a little different way. Like if the mentor Luke has to be killed , then with him returning in a more active force ghost style. Like him helping actively defeating the big ancient baddie from the other side in VIII and IX. Everything else would be a waste of his character.

 

It's Star Trek Into Darkness/Wrath of Khan all over again!

 

Thanks for that moongadget.com link, some interesting reading there. I thought I knew pretty much everything about the origins of Star Wars and what influenced Lucas, but I learned a few new things!

 

Import_Jedi I'm not an expert in the Trek universe, what do you mean?

 

Based on what one of my co-workers (who's a die-hard Trekkie) told me,STID was a revamped version of Wrath of Khan...the only difference is, (Spoilers ahead if you haven't seen STID) instead of Spock 'dying' at the end of the movie, it's Kirk. (With Zach Quinto giving the "Khaaaaaaaan!" line instead) There were other things my co-worker told me about the parallelism, but that's all I remember

 

I think it's different with the ST though, it's the step forward , instead of backward. One of the reason why the PT worked so well as a concept imo, is because we were oblivious to the fall of the Jedi, why and how Anakin became Vader, how the Empire came to be and what The Galaxy was like in those days. TFA only seems so similar to the OT because it's meant to be visually, this is the Original Era after all, where everything began.

I think thats whats dangerous about re-adapting the past rather than moving forward in an already well established universe, especially with a franchise like Star Trek which has already proven it can be successful built around a new cast of characters embarking on adventures in a present timeline. TNG, DS9, and even Voyager to some extent prove it. Thats what I think hindered Enterprise the most imo, being set so far back in Trek's history limited what they could do. Ive personally always felt Trek was about progression just as much as Exploration.

Now the same problems are happening with the reboot imo. I think Paramount will regret adapting TOS instead of just continuing the canon in the future. The early TNG films benefited from having Nimoy and Shatner in supporting capacity , the current series tries to do this , but in the end it's just the characters talking to themselves. Now the TNG timeline feels like a lost era in all of this. Having, Sterwart, Dorn and Frakes around for a new era of heroes is a missed opportunity.

Either way,I think Star Wars and Trek's situations are different, especially since JJ is a SW fan first and he gets the chance to shape its future , instead of blatantly trying to repeat it's glory days.

 

My viewpoint is . . . . wait for it . . . .

 

I think there was supposed to be a joke in there somewhere, but I'll be damned if I can figure out what I meant now.

 

Drunk post?

 

I must have had a little bit of a buzz.

 

Should this thread the and "rhyming" thread be combined? It's basically talking about the same thing.

 

Why in the name of all that's holy TPM had to resonate ANH is beyond me. ANH - episode IV. TPM - episode I of the same saga. Was it actually that difficult to make TPM it's own, totally independent chapter? One that was utterly devoid of resonance with ANH?? I pray the writers haven't fallen into this 'rhyming' rubbish. And they make the ST it's own trilogy and an exception to the saga overall. The rhyming thing left a rather bitter taste.

 

TPM had much less in common with ANH than this new TFA, if rumors are to be believed.

 

Really? How can it be? It had to be because that is what the OT ended up being about.

"I am a Jedi, like my father before me."

It is it's own independent chapter but it's also part of the entire overall saga. None of them can be "totally" independent. TESB ultimately can't work without ANH or ROTJ without the previous 2 or the PT without each other or the OT without the PT and the other way around.

"Utterly devoid"?

I can tell you now you are not going to be happy with TFA.

Dude.

They are rhyming the trading cards! They are rhyming trailers!

Better prepare yourself to get used to that taste.

It will be it's own trilogy just like the OT and PT are but it's still going to connect. In terms of themes, visuals, story and characters and all that make Star Wars movies that are George Lucas movies and he is Star Wars. Which means that they have to make movies (at least for the episodes) that are like George Lucas be it THX 1138, American Graffiti or Star Wars.

 

Hmm. Yeah well done for completely missing the point Brid, but I can't say I'm suprised. Ok. *ahem* the whole rhyming aspect is what I was trying to get at,basically. This needless notion of linking the 2 trilogies through events that occur that mirror each other. Eg, Luke destroying the DS, and baby Anakin destroying the droid control ship. I may be alone in saying this, but I would be ****ing over the moon if nothing of the sort happens in TFA. And I don't think it will. In fact, I get the impression I'm going to be extremely satisfied with the originality 'story wise' of TFA. Total ORI-GIN-AL-ITAY. That rhymes with TFA I'll go with that pal )

 

Jcuk , a few things I'd like to point out.

Firstly, there is no such thing as "total originality". It doesn't exist. It's a myth. If anything, TFA looks to be a significantly less "original" film than TPM simply because, from what we can tell, it is relying on so much of the OT imagery that TPM deliberately avoided. TPM was a very original film in terms of how it expanded the visual vocabulary and the mythology of the franchise.

Secondly, though it is totally valid to dislike the rhyming in he saga, that also means you dislike a significant, fundamental aspect of what George Lucas was trying to achieve for the six-part saga. The rhyming wasn't there just to be cute or convenient or to act as a writing crutch when George didn't know where he wanted to take the story. The rhyming was a crucial part of cementing Star Wars as a modern myth, a story that is meant to convey the spirit and history of humanity, even if the story itself contains few outwardly earthly elements. The contrasting journeys of Luke and Anakin are meant to be just that. In the similarities and divergences, we learn what George is saying about humanity in the story of Star Wars.

But, if you just want TFA to be "pew pew pew" and whizbang action with little to no thematic connections to the original films, then by all means, keep wishing that.

 

Well. So much assumption on your part, for a film you (in fact no one) has even seen yet. So much assumption it's just going to follow the same old Star Wars formula set down by Mr Lucas. The same ****, different day scenario. Playing it safe. We'll see next December for the true conclusion for that question. As of now? the odds are in my favour. Place your bets