Speculation Episode VII and... The Netherworlds?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Episode VII - Spoilers Allowed' started by HegoDamask, Aug 16, 2013.

  1. HegoDamask Jedi Grand Master

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    Well, as most of you know, over the past few days we have heard rumors swirling the net about the return of a couple of dead characters:

    Obi Wan (Ewan McGregor)
    Palpatine (Ian McDarmid)
    Any more dead characters rumored to re appear will be added to the list.

    Also attached to these rumors is the fact that these characters will be appearing as 'force ghosts'.

    Obviously this has lead to much speculation about the role of these characters on the forums. Most notably is the speculation that the events in the living galaxy will run in parallel with the events in the 'Netherworlds' in the story, possibly leading up to a large battle between many of the most popular characters in the universe at the end of the trilogy.

    Personally seeing the Netherworlds would add another degree of mystery and awe to the films, and would certainly unite both fans of the prequels and original trilogy.
    So what are your thoughts? Do you think we will venture into the Netherworlds? And which other dead characters do you wish to see?
  2. Darth Chiznuk Chosen One

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    Well, I do think this is beginning to make some sense to me. Take Mark Hamill's comments in the 80s that GL told him the ST would be more ethereal and now the rumors of Palpatine's spirit and Obi-Wan's Force ghost and it seems like it's all coming full circle finally. I think we're looking at a trilogy that will explore the Force in depth and hopefully what it means to be a Jedi and Sith.
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  3. The Hellhammer 7SA Forum Interrogator

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    I think it has great potential. I'm all for exploring new avenues of the Star Wars universe. I want to see new ideas, new stuff, new concepts - and by that I don't just mean a new Darth or new trooper armor.
    Exploring the Force in more depth is something that seems like the perfect basis of the new trilogy, it fits in quite nicely with the general speculation that it will be (at least to some extent) about Luke teaching a new generation of Jedi.

    I don't think that going in this direction threatens to contradict established facts or "cheapen" some elements of PT/OT. Quite the opposite, I think it has great potential to expand upon those concepts that the movies so far have just touched upon. As a result, hopefully, in the end we will view the previous movies with a deeper understanding of how the universe and the Force actually work.
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  4. darklordoftech Force Ghost

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    =D=
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  5. TtheForceHurts Force Ghost

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    I think this has tremendous potential if the final battle of good versus evil is fought on two fronts: the new generation versus Palpatines apprentice and his army and the battle of the force ghosts against Palpatine, Plagueis and maybe even the essence of Vader...
  6. HegoDamask Jedi Grand Master

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    Heavy Speculation Approaching: With regards to the plot perhaps this Apprentice of Palpatine is trying to create a merge between the Galaxy and the Netherworlds, under his master's instructions, so all the Dead Sith Lords can return...
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  7. The Hellhammer 7SA Forum Interrogator

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    That's an interesting notion, indeed.
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  8. Count Yubnub Force Ghost

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    And, so, as people have also speculated, we might see Mortis again.
  9. Darth Claire Force Ghost

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    For some reason when people say "A bunch of force ghosts fighting eachother" all I think of is something like this happening:

    Bring on the army of force ghosts :p
  10. Circular Logic SWTV Interview Host

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    If the ST decided to explore in-depth the Netherworld of the Force, I certainly wouldn't mind. I always found the nature of the Force one of the most fascinating aspects of Star Wars. There is just so much mystery to it; the Force may be described as a mystical energy field permeating the galaxy, but its true nature seemingly cannot be comprehended by mere mortals. It also has a will of its own. Any exploration of the nature of the Force that doesn't take away from its mystique I would definitely welcome! In a way, this is why I enjoyed the Mortis trilogy in TCW so much; that willingness to delve deeper into the enigmatic and esoteric nature of the Force.

    Seeing Ian McDiarmid and Ewan McGregor reprise their roles as ghosts from beyond the physical plane would just be icing on the cake!
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  11. Darthsuggs Force Ghost

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    It definitely would be interesting. Ultimately Sidious' only concern is his own ascension to control. So that he'd be trying to pull the strings with some hope of eventually being installed as some sort of ruler isn't at all surprising.
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  12. Immortiss Force Ghost

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    Perhaps our Protagonista will descend into Netherhell in order to close the box Plagueis and Palpatine opened several generations before. To put them away, for a while. I cannot help but think that she will have some special power or artifact, a key to lock the box, at the end of the hero's journey. Will she survive? And what could this thing be?
  13. HegoDamask Jedi Grand Master

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    They could also pump so much fan-service into this if it is the finale of the Star Wars films..One final battle between every single Sith and Jedi that ever was... Just imagine seeing people like Revan, Bane and Plagueis among the ghosts... even if they don't say anything we as fans would go nuts.
    Also Abrams is known for his little details and easter eggs, seems like something he would do in this situation.
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  14. Count Yubnub Force Ghost

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    Dunno about the "box"--do you mean the unbalancing of the Force?--but the "special artifact" was part of the early drafts (Kyber Crystal). And since Lucas enjoys recycling abandoned ideas, the special artifact might indeed return.
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  15. rezpen Force Ghost

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    I don't want this cause it's drifting into Avengers territory and million other films where there is a portal between worlds that must be closed or not allowed to open. Even Howard the Duck used this device.
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  16. darklordoftech Force Ghost

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    I want confirmation that "balance" isn't between Jedi and Sith.
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  17. Count Yubnub Force Ghost

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    No, between the light and dark sides of the Force. Lucas has always been explicit about this.
  18. MiamiJedi Jedi Master

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    So Palpatine is Cthulhu??

    Yes, it would be very interesting if they went Lovecraft for the new saga trilogy. No one would have seen it coming!

    Please no Force Hell or Netherworlds!

    Leave the strange dimensions to Thor!
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  19. darklordoftech Force Ghost

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    I know. I was saying that I want it to be confirmed in-movie to dispel the misconception.
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  20. Count Yubnub Force Ghost

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    Ah, gotcha. in that case, I agree.
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  21. Immortiss Force Ghost

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    Just referencing Pandora' Box and the (unethical) science vs. Faith theme, with midi-chlorian manipulation, unnatural immortality, centered in narcissus and natural immortality, or transcendence, based on obedience to the Will of the Force.

    The power could be something like a Force Promise to anoint someone, something or a people. Or the fulfillment of the prophecy. God's promise to Abraham, the savior, or Shiva's favor.
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  22. EHT Manager: New Films

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    In a "Force ghost fight", I just picture them throwing punches that just go right through each other and accomplish nothing.
  23. Immortiss Force Ghost

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    Right, that's why I'm for unnatural immortality, which means villains who can be destroyed, like Nazgul. One spirit to rule them all and to animate them, who cannot be completely destroyed, but put into abeyance only. Legions of dead clone and stormtroopers, brought back from the dead. Sith Nazgul, four horseman of the apocalypse. Used flesh reanimated. Sinbad and the Seven Seas skeleton warriors. It sounds fun to me.
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  24. Darth Claire Force Ghost

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    So......a zombie army then?
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  25. HegoDamask Jedi Grand Master

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    I'm pretty sure Obi-wan puts his hand on Yoda's shoulder at the end of RotJ...
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