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Lit Episode VIII - THE LAST JEDI - Official Movie Discussion Thread (Tags Required for rumors/spoilers)

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Karl0413, Feb 5, 2016.

  1. Outsourced

    Outsourced Jedi Knight star 4

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    "You're nothing... But not to me. M'lady."
     
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  2. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 7

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    OK, sooooo… Just got back from seeing it, on a freezing December day that is doing its best to snow. And my view of snow is akin to that of Anakin Skywalker on sand - it gets everywhere.
    So, will have much to say.
    And it won’t go the way you think. ;)
     
  3. Dawud786

    Dawud786 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Why do i get the sense you're a 4chan regular?

    Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk
     
  4. Outsourced

    Outsourced Jedi Knight star 4

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    If this is anything like your TFA post, I'll be waiting with baited breath.
     
  5. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 7

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    "Oh, it will be. It will be."
     
  6. Jester J Binks

    Jester J Binks Jedi Master star 4

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    They can't have it both ways. They can't openly talk about an agenda and then feign ignorance, surprise and rebuke when somebody points out they have an agenda.

    So glad this scab is pulled off again. This is when this forum goes into the Dark Times and authoritarian rule rears its ugly head.
     
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  7. Stymi

    Stymi Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Politics aside, how is taking a clear stance on a position and supporting it with clear and well crafted evidence fragile?

    You, on the other hand, haven't said anything and seem pretty triggered by the article. Perhaps you need a safe space where you only get the kind interpretations that agree with your sensibilities.

    Newsflash, as others have said, Star Wars has always had a liberal agenda. So overtly obvious.


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  8. BobaMatt

    BobaMatt TFN EU Staff star 6 VIP

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    This is what Rian Johnson says about the politics of TLJ:

    “All the things that are in the air and in your head get filtered in. It’s impossible not to put what’s on your mind into the movie. But I maintain that I think the reason these movies are constantly applicable to the real world is that they are never just cheap 1:1 analogies. Because they are about the stuff that’s underneath the stuff–they’re more universal than that. Going back to the original films, they’re still applied to current political situations because they have that kind of archetypal power. We’re living in the real world and we’re the ones telling the stories, so it’s all gonna filter in there, but I think it’s never conceived as a political allegory, per se, and hopefully that’s why it’s especially potent."​
     
  9. Ulicus

    Ulicus Lapsed Moderator star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I think TLJ is a metaphor for Lucas selling the SW IP to Disney.

    Luke = Lucas

    Rey = Disney/New LFL

    Kylo = Fanboy Opinion / Demands

    Luke's Jedi Order = The Prequel Trilogy
     
  10. Coherent Axe

    Coherent Axe Jedi Knight star 2

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    Is there any point in me replying to that? I don't believe I was being sarcastic.

    Is there not an even playing field here? Are you unable to reply to points raised for some reason? What do you feel is unbalanced about it?
     
  11. Jester J Binks

    Jester J Binks Jedi Master star 4

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    It couldn't have been that well crafted when the responses have varied as:
    1. That's not what LFL is doing.
    2. That is what LFL is doing, deal with it.
    3. I don't agree with the article

    Toxic feminity . There should be no problem with that phrase. Correct? Let's see.

    I've made some points already. But it isn't necessarily pro or con to the *discussion*, but to the ability to do so for others.

    I don't want to go after any particular poster, but I would not have addressed it the way it was brought in. But then again, I wouldn't have also responded the way it was either. Well, I could, but I make an effort not to overreact.
     
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  12. Coherent Axe

    Coherent Axe Jedi Knight star 2

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    The problem is it should be "toxic femininity".
     
  13. Stymi

    Stymi Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Which responses were those?

    Sent from my Moto X-Wing
     
  14. BobaMatt

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  15. Ulicus

    Ulicus Lapsed Moderator star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    So glad this **** isn't my problem any more.

    With my activity here over the last month, I was almost beginning to regret stepping down.
     
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  16. DigitalMessiah

    DigitalMessiah Chosen One star 6

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    I feel like this thread stopped talking about the movie right after I mentioned the score.
     
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  17. BobaMatt

    BobaMatt TFN EU Staff star 6 VIP

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    The score? That's what you get for bringing up sports.
     
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  18. Coherent Axe

    Coherent Axe Jedi Knight star 2

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    I think the score's great -- I've been finding myself humming a few of the minor motifs for Luke and the First Order, though I think its lack of primary themes is just a necessity borne out of how close it is to TFA, which did all the heavy lifting in terms of establishing new material.
     
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  19. What Are The Odds

    What Are The Odds Jedi Knight star 2

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    Whoa there! Want to shut me up with such accusations? Or trying to provoke mods to ban me? You're playing a dirty game. I give in. When "arguments" like that show up, it's clearly impossible to discuss the matter any further.
     
  20. Jester J Binks

    Jester J Binks Jedi Master star 4

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    Well, this is all your fault for bringing in such a controversial topic. Why are so many things in music based off the relation to major. That's a lowered third. Really? Perhaps the major third is just the raised third. Crap. That doesn't work either. FU major scale.

    @Outsourced That was the strawman cue. You're slipping.
     
  21. Coherent Axe

    Coherent Axe Jedi Knight star 2

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    You've barely discussed it. Feel free to PM me if you want to discuss that article somewhere other than here.
     
  22. BobaMatt

    BobaMatt TFN EU Staff star 6 VIP

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    I do think Rose's theme is great.
     
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  23. DigitalMessiah

    DigitalMessiah Chosen One star 6

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    Rose's theme is the first major theme we've gotten in a major key since Across the Stars, I believe?

    In the other two bridge films, we got the Imperial March and Across the Stars which both dominated the score. I feel like Rey's theme played that role in TFA. Kylo Ren didn't receive a new theme like Darth Vader in TESB and there's no major romance central to the plot so I suppose it makes sense that there's no major new theme that dominates this film.

    The Rebel fanfare is pretty prominent which makes a lot of sense.
     
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  24. Coherent Axe

    Coherent Axe Jedi Knight star 2

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    Yeah, Williams has described Rey's Theme as an adventure motif, so it's absolutely the central thread of TFA. TLJ did use Kylo's Theme in the same way as the Imperial March though, by using it for the First Order fleet as a whole in addition to Kylo personally; the opening scene introduces the Star Destroyers with his motif.

    And I like how both the Rebel Fanfare and the Main Theme get increasingly used in TLJ, as if TFA set up the new characters as worthy successors to the OT heroes, and TLJ is paying that off by letting them use the old Rebellion themes.
     
  25. DigitalMessiah

    DigitalMessiah Chosen One star 6

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    When is the main theme used in the film?

    That's also Luke's theme, the main time I can think of it being used is on the track "Old Friends" which is when Luke and Artoo are on the Falcon.