A/V Episode VIII - THE LAST JEDI - Official Movie Discussion Thread

Leia would know that's wrong as he didn't kill her despite having the chance.

 

Which he seems to consider a mistake afterwards, as he orders his forces to kill everyone inside the Crait base without exception. He'd know that would include Leia.

 

I do think the end of TLJ represents an obstinate hardening of his resolve after his vision is rejected by Rey.

There's also no way for Leia, who gets rocked by proton torpedoes and nearly killed by exposure to hard vacuum, to know that Ben had declined to kill her personally.

 

She sensed him.

 

I mean I don't know how specific her Force senses got. She sensed he was there, she probably sensed he was conflicted, and then she got sucked into space. It's possible she sensed him decide not to kill her, but her statement at the end of the film seems to trouble that notion.

 

Regardless of what she sensed then, he orders her death twice more after that.

 

Yeah, it seems that he can't kill his mum himself, but he's okay with ordering others to do it for him.

 

I'd disagree with this. While Leia seems to have given up hope, Luke seems to think there still is some given his last conversation with her. He also clearly sees it in the novelization.

 

Agreed - Luke doesn't think he can do it.

 

Slightly less compelling version of Luke's story would have had him going through Ben's calligraphy notebook that details his evil master plan. "Kill Uncle Luke, become badass" lovingly written out.

 

I disagree, I think Kylo has the patience to read Snoke's ideas. Superiority of Force users, the glory of the Empire, read all of Vader's tactical battles etc.

I think Ben's calligraphy would have been letters to the First Order asking how to join up, thoughts on how the Jedi failed before and will fail again (and that he only signed up for the class because his parents made him), letters to his posse on how to jump ship and join the FO (like the way Biggs and his friends jumped the Imperial academy for the Rebels).

 

I was wondering if Ben's calligraphy set was canon because the first time you see it, it's in Ben's recounting of the events to Rey (speaking of which, did he tell her he had a calligraphy set?) and as is proven in the film, he is lying. But you see it again when Luke tells the truth to Rey ("His lightsaber flew off his desk with his calligraphy set!" Luke must have told her.

Watched Last Jedi with my sister and she actually says she likes this one more than Force Awakens because, to her, Last Jedi feels more like a Star Wars movie, which is interesting but she said from the point of view of having multiple plots going on at once ala ESB. She does also like Kylo, though, but I still says he's a jerkwad.

 

TLJ absolutely feels more Star Wars than TFA. Abrams copied Star Wars's face, but Rian copied its soul.

One of the most important take-aways I got from Joseph Campbell is not just to be satisfied with the latest version of a story; but to go back and seek out what that writer was inspired by, what they intended, what they were reaching for. I think Lucas and Rian both hold that same mindset, and it's telling that Rian wants his new trilogy to get out from under the franchise's in-universe mythology to try and tell a new story that digs into the root of what Lucas was trying to do with it in the first place, mythologically speaking.

 

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Of note, in both Legends and Canon, Luke just straight up made himself Jedi Master. a wee bit presumptuous of him but as the Last Jedi he gets to call the shots.

 

Who else would make him one?

 

There are three Jedi Masters just ghosting around not doing anything else.

 

Just rewatched The Director and The Jedi and am once again blown away. Fantastic documentary from a fantastic film. Really hope we get something similar in caliber when he does the first of his new trilogy.

 

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After Empire of Dreams and The Beginning, it is my third favourite making of SW documentary and one of my all time favourite making of documentaries in general. And I haven't even liked TLJ that much.

 

I think what always interest me how involved Kathleen Kennedy is involved in the making of these films beyond just being President of LFL. Granted I know that can be taken as a good or bad thing but still....I find it interesting.

 

This always bugged me, too. Obi-wan and Yoda didn't give him enough training to teach others. At best, he should be searching the galaxy for other Jedi and hopefully find a teacher to complete his training as well as train others.

That said, the only part of TLJ I liked was the Luke/Rey interactions. For someone who feels like he failed his family, his galaxy, his legacy, and himself; RJ did get this one right......

....the rest of the movie, OTOH......

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"She was created by the Force and is an instrument of it."

I like how people who most likely do not agree with me regarding Rey's character still have to come to terms with the fact that everything she does is a result of power getting handed to her rather than anything she has to tangibly sacrifice and suffer for like her predecessors.

 

I mean by that rationale Anakin had all of his power handed to him by the Force, and if Luke's powerful because of his bloodline, so did he. And Kylo.

 

You mean the same Anakin that had to hone his skills under instruction for a full decade as well as through years of intense combat? The Anakin who actually suffered defeats and pitfalls, two of which resulted in massive damage to his body and mental state?