Escort the Senator back to Naboo she'll be safer there...... what?

Do you know they could have? They wanted her dead and she was never attacked again. Logically, he couldn't find any leads and went back to Kamino.

 

How do you know? Again with the PT we have to assume this happened. Its another case for the PT get out of bad story telling jail free card. That seems to be all some people can come up with and its getting old. If he couldnt track her then he wasn't a very good bounty hunter was he?

 

Well no ,I don't know, that is the point, nothing was said on why he just went home, but I'm just assuming that he(being a bounty hunter) could of tracked her, but chose not to for whatever reason.

 

As far as tracking Padme goes, Jango could have just gone back to Padme's apartment after killing Zam and followed her from there. He knew that Padme was there, and it would be the last place the bumbling Jedi would have thought he would go to.



And whats the deal with Anakin sensing those bugs in Padmes bedroom ? What if those bugs turned out to be just ordinary roaches ?

 

Because what makes more sense? The bounty hunter just getting bored and leaving or not having a lead and leaving?

 

This is circular reasoning, "the jedi knew that Naboo was safe because nothing happened there". It would be like a person walking up to a bunch of hungry lions cowered in raw meat and nothing happening and from this you conclude that it is perfectly safe to walk up to some hungry lions cowered in raw meat. The jedi had no way of knowing that nothing would happen, they could only try to find the safest place for Padme. And it gets very hard to understand why somenone would think that going back to your homeplanet, to your own house would be a good idea. It is a very obviuos place to hide and a potential assasin would not have to think very hard to look there. So the issue here is what the jedi are thinking when they order Padme back to Naboo not what actually happened there.

After Zam's death there are no further attempts as Jango apparently forgets all about his job and goes back to Kamino instead. And why did he use such a specific weapon? Was the plan to lure Obi-Wan there or not?

In closing I think that the overall story in AotC is good but many of the plot points are not handled very well. The jedi very often look very stupid, why Zam used bugs when a bomb or gas would be far better, why the droid was so stupid as not to return to Zam when discovered, why Jango suddenly looses interest in Padme despite it being quite urgent and so on.

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It isn't circular reasoning, you see, because 1) we're talking about a movie in which the events are layed out in chronological order, and 2) the Jedi have powers of foresight, lest we forget. It may seem stupid to you, who has no awareness of future events, to send the Senator to her homeworld, but to the Jedi who have visions -- barring the obfuscation effect of the Dark Side, which they do not understand to be at work at this point -- their decision to send Padme to Naboo is perfectly spot-on. There is also the point that Dorme is on Coruscant functioning as Padme's decoy, and the public knowledge that Padme -- who is widely known to be headtsrong and willful -- is on Coruscant to vote on legislation that is personally important to her. Combine all of these elements and you have sound reasoning for sending her home incognito. That the Jedi's plan is borne out by the events of the film is solid indication of the validity of their thinking.

 

Okay how can they possibly think the decoy thing still works? The white makeup is gone and Jar Jar is out there doing Padme's job. Who exactly is going to be fooled by a totally different person just hanging around in Padme's clothes? Immediately after another decoy was known to be killed?

 

Roaches in space? Sounds like a good b-movie flick idea to me.

If a bounty Hunter can't find his quarry then he will just leave, doesn't mean he gave up.

 

Okay, that's a good point. I have to give credit where it's due.

 

I don't think the decoy thing was on the Jedi's minds. Infact, Dorme asked "what if they realized you left the capital?" Padme hanging around Coruscant was deemed unsafe and the Jedi were already stretched. Having Padme in Coruscant under the auspices of the Jedi, would be a distraction and the Jedi have their usual stuff to do at the temple while the rest are all over the galaxy.

So, the Jedi do the next best thing, use one Jedi to escort Padme back to Naboo (likely because she'll be more comfortable there as she knows the place and the isolated areas) on addition to having one capable Jedi with her. Furthermore, Padme in any case would not be able to partake in the Senate sitting in Coruscant anyway (hence I think that's why the scene of her in the Senate was cut).

With regards to Jango not pursuing the assassination, there were already two failed attempts (and he was responsible for both) But since he saw that the Jedi already captured one link, Jango goes Kamino after killing Zam (he did warn her no more mistakes) and high tailed to a place where he has been residing and getting paid no less of that.

 

Padme was on target to be assassinated for 2 reasons:

A) To satisfy Nute Gunray.
B) To keep her from voting against a possible war.

Part A satisfied what Dooku was trying to accomplish, and that was to get the Trade Federation all geared up w/ the Confederacy.

Part B satisfied "The Boss" Sidious, and would keep this influential senator acting as a voice of reason for a war Sidious was creating.

When Padme left Coruscant, there was no real reason to attempt to kill her, especially w/ Jar Jar there to manipulate (which we saw. In fact, if there were extra special attempts to do so, she may in fact go BACK to Coruscant under the protection of the Jedi in the Temple. There's no safer place. Then she could still argue against the war.

 

I thought the idea of using Dormé as a decoy was only meant to buy Padmé time to escape Coruscant. Once the ruse had been discovered, Padmé would've been long gone and her tracks covered.

Personally, I see no problem with the Jedi plan to send her back to Naboo until the heat dies down. It makes sense

 

Wrong the A reason still exists as Nute would not sign a treaty with Dooku UNTIL Padme was dead and if Dooku had failed to deliver for too long the TF might walk away and the separatists could fall apart.
Dooku jys got very lycky that Padme handed herself to him and the TF and thus they were thrown in the arena. When the jedi and clones showed up then depite Padme not being dead Nute had no choice to side with Dooku.

Still one could wonder why the war did not end after the battle of Geonosis, given how cowardly the TF were in TPM and since the other separatists were expecting the republic to fall without much of fight. But now they just their backsides handed to them and suffered a big loss and the republic was far stronger than they thought. Wouldn't they go "Umm the republic is much stronger than we thought and a sizeable chunk of out army was just soundly defeated, perhaps we should reconsider."

Except that a) is a very obvious place to hide and the first place were an assasin would look and b) the jedi thought that the person behind the atempts were FROM Naboo so sending here there would only make their job easier.

No it is circular reasoning as you defend a seemingly odd choice by later events that show that Naboo was safe. By this logic you can justify any number of stupid things as long as nothing bad happened. A person swims with hungry sharks and does not get eaten so it is perfectly safe to swim with sharks. Or what the Tobacco companies used to say "this person have smoked for 30 years and he did not get lung cancer so it is totally safe to smoke."

Since the jedi powers of foresight have not exactly been up to par in the PT I am not bying this. The jedi seem constantly behind everyone else and generally seem quite clueless to what is going on. The jedi even say that their foresight is weaker.
Even assuming that the jedi could see that she would be safe then they would see that would be safe anywhere and could have her stay on Coruscant as Jango had given up by this time and gone back to Kamino.

As others say the decoy thing is well known by now and Jar-Jar is in the senate so her not being on Coruscant is hardly a secret. So an assasin would think "hmm Padme is no longer on Corsuscant, she have gone into hiding but where? The galaxy is huge but I'll start on her homeplanet of Naboo". Also the jedi seem to think that Naboo miners are behind theses attacks so her going back would make their job easier.
That they wanted her to leave does make sense, as there had been very close attempts on her life in less than a day. Sending her back to Naboo howver make less sense and Padme seem

 

Well, to us, the idea of sending Padme back to her home planet seems to be a moronic thing to do, because that's the FIRST location an assassin will check if his quarry is not where he thought it was in the first place, but do we know Jango went: "Okay, I can't kill the senator, I give up!"

Methinks Jango was doing some research on where Padme could be located, but Obi-Wan got to him and he had to make a quick get-a-way and thought Obi-Wan dead after the asteroid chase above Geonosis.

So why didn't Jango just zap himself to Naboo? Probably to report to Dooku that the Jedi were onto them.

 

The Jedi are idiots.

 

That really doesn't contribute anything valuable to this discussion.

 

I never thought of that, but it does seem to be the most plausible explanation. Well reasoned.

 

Jango FAILED twice to kill Padme, like it or not and as a bounty hunter no allegiance to anyone. But he's also got other paying jobs like Kamino and the cloning (considerable pay mind you). As you say though, Jango knows the Jedi were unto to him and since he's also working for Dooku he is weighing out all these things.

Clearly Coruscant was not a safe place anyway for Padme. Sending her out incognito really shows how things have really deteriorated even in the capital. She got a Jedi to protect her, the best place to take would be where she could be comfortable. Also that the miners on Kamino had nothing to do with the attempts on her life, Naboo is not a bad place as it would seem to be.

 

But mace said that jedi intelligence pointed to spice miners on the moons of naboo.

 

But they were wrong, when they find it was a bounty hunter using other assasins to do the job.

 

The idea is Drome would been on Coruscant and thus would keep any assassin busy. If something happened to Drome, the Jedi Council would know and have enough time to inform Naboo and send re-enforcements to back up Anakin. She is safe so long as the rest of the galaxy assumes that she is on Coruscant. Jango didn't go to Naboo because he had to get his ass back to Kamino. Whether he planned to try again is irrelavent because once Obi-wan shows up, he's on the run to Geonosis, which is what the Sith want. They don't care if Padme dies. They're using Nute's desire for revenge to not only get him to join up with the Confederacy, but to use it as a means of making the Jedi learn about Kamino and the Clone Army.

 

Actually, the assassins were believed to be from one of the moons of Naboo but I understand your point.

Also, you have to consider the point that Padmé and Anakin travel incognito as refugees. Padmés arrival to Naboo is not announced or anything. Also consider where on Naboo Padmé goes, which is to the isolated family villa in the lake country.

 

OK, i feel the need to contribute in this debate

1)Dorme was planned to be used as a decoy until the vote day. Not for the assassin, for the public.
2)As far as we see in the movie and as anyone with common knowledge can understand Jango didnt go ANYWHERE near Padme, thats why he hired Zam. He absolutely had to do the jod through another. He risked much just being on the same planet with Padme. After Zam failed and the Jedi got involved and he was SEEN by two of them he felt the absolute need to hide away in the corner of the galaxy for things to cool down. It would be insane for him to keep tracking Padme. Mission failed for the time being. End of story.
3)Naboo as far as we see in the movie again is a relative remote and small and thus CONTROLABLE planet. The jedi or the local security can easily track down anyone suspicious that will arrive shortly after Padme. Remember we are talking for a few days here, or a few weeks. Plus, as far as we see in the movies again, Padme is stubborn and strong willed. If she wanted to go to Naboo because she would feel safe and find the opportunity to visit her family, then nobody could persuade her otherwise.
4)Stay Padme in the Temple? Thats absurd! Padme is a member of a political organization and leader of a certain "wave", Jedi order is another organization with arguably equal political power and neutrality. It would be impossible for the Jedi to pamper her more than they already did. IMO the two Jedi in her apartment is a scandal already. Jedi would want the minimum involvement with her while in the same time protecting her. Sending a padawan (the strongest in a thousand years that is) with her, probably the only one she could agree to come with makes perfect sense.
5)Obviously, as we see in the movies, the "spice miners from Naboo" thing could last only until Obi and Anakin saw a super duper flying warrior killing the assassin from a thousand feet with a dart, a warrior that no spice miner in the galaxy could afford. Now, as for the dart...Is it because Jango panicked and didnt change his ammo?....maybe but one could argue here.. Is it because Jango is so cunning that found the right moment to lure the Jedi to Kamino, something that had to do sooner or later?...maybe again..

 

IIRC that idea was debunked by the OS.