* * Evolution or Creation ( Keep it cool ) version 2.0 * *

Discussion in 'Archive: The Senate Floor' started by SaberGiiett7, Sep 13, 2002.

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  1. SaberGiiett7 Force Ghost

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    Ok want to retry this?Guys try to keep it cool in here and don't get mad when the opposite theory presents a good point.So lets see how this one goes..........
  2. KnightWriter Administrator Emeritus

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    From what I've seen, this debate is already going on in the Big Bang vs. Creation thread.

    Any other thoughts on this?
  3. SaberGiiett7 Force Ghost

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    We'll people were sort of mixing them together and people were blowing off their comments on BB vs Creation because of it.
  4. Sturm Antilles Former Manager

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    I believe in Evolution.

    Firstly, I'm not religious. I can believe in higher powers and other mystical elements, but not the God as depicted within Christianity.

    Secondly, IIRC, radio carbon dating and other means have determined that certain rocks, mountains, trees etc. are even older than when God supposedly created the Earth, so...

    My 2 cents.
  5. SaberGiiett7 Force Ghost

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    Natural events lead to disorder not uniformality.
  6. Darth Guy Chosen One

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    Evolution is a proven scientific fact.
  7. SifoYodaDyas Jedi Knight

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    Evolution. I prefer things that are readily explained by science. Not really keen on blind faith. A good read on Evolution:
    Darwin's Dangerous Idea: Evolution and the Meanings of Life. Daniel C. Dennett. 586 pp. Simon and Schuster, 1995
  8. KnightWriter Administrator Emeritus

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    Evolution is a proven scientific fact.

    All you non-evolution belivers, accept the truth!


    That kind of posting will get this thread closed.
  9. Sturm Antilles Former Manager

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    Natural events lead to disorder not uniformality.

    Given billions of years, anything can happen.

    Life begins from such things as amoebas and microbes, some of which can be found on asteroids and moons within our solar system. Given enough time, these "seeds" can become organisms, which then become life-forms.
  10. SaberGiiett7 Force Ghost

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    I could ague how these things such as singled celled organism's can come about from nothing but for more of that go to the BB vs Creation thread.

    Wow it looks like i'm alone on this one.
  11. New_York_Jedi Force Ghost

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    I heard that later in life Darwin became a christian and wished never thought of his theory :)

    Let evolution explain this:


    Poly strata trees. Fossolized trees that go throug hseveral of rock layers. So how exactly did tree's stand up for thousands/millions of years?
  12. Lord_Darth_Bob Jedi Youngling

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    SaberGiiett7...

    Natural events lead to disorder not uniformality.

    You're fallaciously citing the Second Law of Thermodynamics. Entropy always increases in a closed system. The universe is a closed system. Life is a step up in complexity from organic compounds. However, there is always a greater increase in entropy somewhere else in the universe that is greater then the decrease somewhere else (such as terrestrial biological evolution), so the net increase of entropy in the closed system of the universe remains consistent and perfectly valid according the the Second Law of Thermodynamics.
  13. SaberGiiett7 Force Ghost

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    Say what?!

    Yes Darwin did renounce his theory on his death bed.
  14. cydonia Jedi Grand Master

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    From the website answersingenesis.org

    did darwin recant


    "It therefore appears that Darwin did not recant, and it is a pity that to this day the Lady Hope story occasionally appears in tracts published and given out by well-meaning people."

  15. Ender Jedi Grand Master

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    Another argument creationists shouldn't use from AIG "creationist" site:

    ?The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics began at the Fall?. This law says that the entropy (?disorder?) of the Universe increases over time, and some have thought that this was the result of the Curse. However, disorder isn't always harmful. An obvious example is digestion, breaking down large complex food molecules into their simple building blocks. Another is friction, which turns ordered mechanical energy into disordered heat?otherwise Adam and Eve would have slipped as they walked with God in Eden! A less obvious example to laymen might be the sun heating the Earth?to a physical chemist, heat transfer from a hot object to a cold one is the classic case of the Second Law in action. Also, breathing is based on another classic Second Law process, gas moving from a high pressure to low pressure. Finally, all beneficial processes in the world, including the development from embryo to adult, increase the overall disorder of the universe, showing that the Second Law is not inherently a curse.

    Arguments we think creationists should NOT use
  16. cydonia Jedi Grand Master

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    Funny thing about that link, my sister in all her good intentioned spreading of the word e-mailed me that story of the nasa scientists saying the sun would stand still. Next time she gives me something like that, i'll refer her to a site such as aig. She'd probably trust it more than something from an urban legends page.
  17. son_of_the_tear Force Ghost

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    I believe in both creation and evolution.

    By that I mean, I believe G-d created the world, life, elements, etc. But I believe in evolution because to me, G-d is behind evolution. To me, they are one and the same. G-d is the cause of evolution.

    this is my belief. I guess because I am Jewish and many fellow Jews see it this way too. Not all, but most I have encountered.

    Point is, when I read that G-d created the world in 7 days, I see it as 7 days to humans might not be the same for G-d. In other words, 7 days in G-d's terms is equal to millions and millions of years.

    Make sense?

    That's my belief. No one has to share it. But it's mine.
  18. Ender Jedi Grand Master

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    Well Cy, as you know all atheists lie. Charles Darwin is supposedly an atheist according to a lot of creationists I've argued with. Even though he says in his own writings that he is agnostic and has never ruled out a god. Thus, that must mean agnostics lie.


    That's my belief. No one has to share it. But it's mine.

    Lots of Christian biologists like Kenneth R. Miller believe that as well.

    Ken Miller's Evolution page
  19. Darth Guy Chosen One

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    Good for you son_of_the_tear, mixing science with religion.

    Even though I myself have no religion, I like people with open-minds. :)

    New_York_Jedi: I know a lot of Christians who believe in evolution. I think you're talking about trees that were buried in possibly a mudslide and stayed standing under the mud. Mud turns into rock after millions of years and the ground get's thiker because of mudslides and other forms of erosion. Hope that is a satisfactory explanation, and I don't see how your question applies to evolution. :confused:
  20. cydonia Jedi Grand Master

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    But if we didn't lie, how else would we turn believers away from God and to our master, the prince of darkness? If you have a better idea, i'm all ears. (Hope i didn't blow your cover.)
  21. Darth Guy Chosen One

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    "Well Cy, as you know all atheists lie."



    I hope that was sarcasm. [face_plain]
  22. cydonia Jedi Grand Master

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    I can bet it was 100% sarcastic. ;)


    BTW, most everything i say is sarcastic as well. :p
  23. Ender Jedi Grand Master

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    If you have a better idea, i'm all ears. (Hope i didn't blow your cover.)

    How about nude photos of myself posing with my Charles Darwin blowup doll?
  24. Darth Guy Chosen One

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    Okay!

    (as you do not know, that was sarcasm ;) )
  25. cydonia Jedi Grand Master

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    Oh boy, i don't know if the world is quite ready for that just yet.
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