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CT Ewoks, yay or nay?

Discussion in 'Classic Trilogy' started by Chainmail_Jedi, Feb 11, 2013.

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Ewoks, Yay or Nay?

  1. Yay

    67.9%
  2. Nay

    34.9%
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  1. fett 4

    fett 4 Chosen One star 5

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    Actually Northern Ireland is part of the UK so if your from there, then yes, though you have option of having a Rep of Ireland passport if you wish.
     
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  2. Yunners

    Yunners Jedi Master star 2

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    You're right! I can't believe I forgot he was from Antrim. >_<
     
  3. fett 4

    fett 4 Chosen One star 5

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    Lol so did I, was just being picky :)
     
  4. KilroyMcFadden

    KilroyMcFadden Jedi Knight star 3

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    it IS a lazy excuse, and a retcon to boot.
     
  5. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    Isn't a retcon the act of changing something, rather than merely providing an explanation for it?
     
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  6. KilroyMcFadden

    KilroyMcFadden Jedi Knight star 3

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    Prior to the Ewok cartoons, not only was there was no mention whatsoever that there were creatures precisely the height of AT-STs roaming TFMOEndor, but the movies also do not depict them. I guess it is possible to view this as merely explaining it, but the explanation at the time the movie came out was that Ewoks created crushing and rolling weapons out of huge logs to deal with the specific vulnerabilities of the AT-STs. The reason for the existence of these log traps were changed or retconned at a later date.

    Define; Retroactive Continuity
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retroactive_continuity
     
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  7. Placeholder

    Placeholder Jedi Master star 4

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    And those logs tripping up mechanical feet would never work on a living creature
     
  8. KilroyMcFadden

    KilroyMcFadden Jedi Knight star 3

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    Right. Part of what we, as viewers, were supposed to appreciate about Ewoks is that they were so resourceful... that they were able to invent a way to defeat a legion of the Empire's finest warriors and tech on the fly.

    There might even be a GL quote floating around somewhere to that effect.
     
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  9. Placeholder

    Placeholder Jedi Master star 4

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    I agree completely, it's the whole point.
     
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  10. Zane the Reaper

    Zane the Reaper Jedi Knight star 1

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    Maybe it's because I grew up with them - not literally, though it would be cool to be raised by Ewoks - I say yay.

    YUB-YUB, all day.
    [​IMG]
     
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  11. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    Why not? Logs crashing into the legs of anything, are going to hurt.

    A case could be made that the "previously established fact" was that the Ewoks invented those traps to beat AT-STs- with no previous knowledge- and that the "newly established fact" was that they repurposed anti-Gorax traps rather than inventing them out of thin air- but I don''t remember any quotes from Lucas on the subject.
     
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  12. Placeholder

    Placeholder Jedi Master star 4

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    An animal would get out of the way. You have to be of the mindset that you want it to work to believe in it. That's the problem with these sloppy EU explanations that don't ever really fit.
     
  13. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    Hence "ambush"- the animal doesn't see the trap till it's already set off.

    In the case of stepping on a log, and it rolling from underfoot- it's a bit like a scaled up version of a human stepping on marbles.
     
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  14. Placeholder

    Placeholder Jedi Master star 4

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    That requires far too much of a stretch of common sense. Try and ambush an animal with rolling logs, it won't work. It works on the Walkers because they are mechanical and clumsy.
     
  15. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    Goraxes are semi-sentient humanoids. If a trap like that can work on a human- why wouldn't it work on a Gorax?
     
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    Placeholder Jedi Master star 4

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    A "Gorax" would simply sidestep it
     
  17. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    Again- why do you think that?

    The Ewok traps, I believe, were inspired by those used in Vietnam, only scaled up.
     
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  18. Placeholder

    Placeholder Jedi Master star 4

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    It's not that hard to figure out. Animals react.
     
  19. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    Introducing "Goraxes" was an attempt at providing a reason why the traps work so well despite the Ewoks never having fought the Empire before. Thus- they invoke common sense, rather than being a "stretch of it"

    And animals are caught in real-life traps all the time.
     
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  20. EvilQ

    EvilQ Jedi Knight star 1

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    Oh, god. The EU.

    IT HURTS!
     
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  21. Placeholder

    Placeholder Jedi Master star 4

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    Sure, it's an attempt. How good of an attempt is the issue. It works for you, great. It doesn't work for all of us.

    Of course animals get caught in traps, but that one wouldn't work. And it wasn't meant to when they made the film. That's the point. It's retcon, and a silly one at that,.
     
  22. Placeholder

    Placeholder Jedi Master star 4

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    Yes, I tend to agree
     
  23. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    In your opinion.

    I find the idea that the Ewoks could build such effective traps without ever having fought the Empire, or anything big enough to need traps that size, sillier.
     
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  24. Placeholder

    Placeholder Jedi Master star 4

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    Of course, and you are presenting your opinion. It's fine that they differ.
     
  25. EvilQ

    EvilQ Jedi Knight star 1

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    LOL, all I can think of when I see this is "Prepare your anus."[face_laugh]
     
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