CT Ewoks, yay or nay?

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Ewoks, Yay or Nay?

Yay 123 vote(s) 66.8%
Nay 67 vote(s) 36.4%
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  1. fett 4 Chosen One

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    Actually Northern Ireland is part of the UK so if your from there, then yes, though you have option of having a Rep of Ireland passport if you wish.
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  2. Yunners Force Ghost

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    You're right! I can't believe I forgot he was from Antrim. >_<
  3. fett 4 Chosen One

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    Lol so did I, was just being picky :)
  4. KilroyMcFadden Jedi Grand Master

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    it IS a lazy excuse, and a retcon to boot.
  5. Iron_lord Chosen One

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    Isn't a retcon the act of changing something, rather than merely providing an explanation for it?
  6. KilroyMcFadden Jedi Grand Master

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    Prior to the Ewok cartoons, not only was there was no mention whatsoever that there were creatures precisely the height of AT-STs roaming TFMOEndor, but the movies also do not depict them. I guess it is possible to view this as merely explaining it, but the explanation at the time the movie came out was that Ewoks created crushing and rolling weapons out of huge logs to deal with the specific vulnerabilities of the AT-STs. The reason for the existence of these log traps were changed or retconned at a later date.

    Define; Retroactive Continuity
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retroactive_continuity
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  7. Placeholder Force Ghost

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    And those logs tripping up mechanical feet would never work on a living creature
  8. KilroyMcFadden Jedi Grand Master

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    Right. Part of what we, as viewers, were supposed to appreciate about Ewoks is that they were so resourceful... that they were able to invent a way to defeat a legion of the Empire's finest warriors and tech on the fly.

    There might even be a GL quote floating around somewhere to that effect.
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  9. Placeholder Force Ghost

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    I agree completely, it's the whole point.
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  10. Zane the Reaper Jedi Grand Master

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    Maybe it's because I grew up with them - not literally, though it would be cool to be raised by Ewoks - I say yay.

    YUB-YUB, all day.
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  11. Iron_lord Chosen One

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    Why not? Logs crashing into the legs of anything, are going to hurt.

    A case could be made that the "previously established fact" was that the Ewoks invented those traps to beat AT-STs- with no previous knowledge- and that the "newly established fact" was that they repurposed anti-Gorax traps rather than inventing them out of thin air- but I don''t remember any quotes from Lucas on the subject.
  12. Placeholder Force Ghost

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    An animal would get out of the way. You have to be of the mindset that you want it to work to believe in it. That's the problem with these sloppy EU explanations that don't ever really fit.
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  13. Iron_lord Chosen One

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    Hence "ambush"- the animal doesn't see the trap till it's already set off.

    In the case of stepping on a log, and it rolling from underfoot- it's a bit like a scaled up version of a human stepping on marbles.
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  14. Placeholder Force Ghost

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    That requires far too much of a stretch of common sense. Try and ambush an animal with rolling logs, it won't work. It works on the Walkers because they are mechanical and clumsy.
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  15. Iron_lord Chosen One

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    Goraxes are semi-sentient humanoids. If a trap like that can work on a human- why wouldn't it work on a Gorax?
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  16. Placeholder Force Ghost

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    A "Gorax" would simply sidestep it
  17. Iron_lord Chosen One

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    Again- why do you think that?

    The Ewok traps, I believe, were inspired by those used in Vietnam, only scaled up.
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  18. Placeholder Force Ghost

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    It's not that hard to figure out. Animals react.
  19. Iron_lord Chosen One

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    Introducing "Goraxes" was an attempt at providing a reason why the traps work so well despite the Ewoks never having fought the Empire before. Thus- they invoke common sense, rather than being a "stretch of it"

    And animals are caught in real-life traps all the time.
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  20. EvilQ Jedi Master

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    Oh, god. The EU.

    IT HURTS!
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  21. Placeholder Force Ghost

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    Sure, it's an attempt. How good of an attempt is the issue. It works for you, great. It doesn't work for all of us.

    Of course animals get caught in traps, but that one wouldn't work. And it wasn't meant to when they made the film. That's the point. It's retcon, and a silly one at that,.
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  22. Placeholder Force Ghost

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    Yes, I tend to agree
  23. Iron_lord Chosen One

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    In your opinion.

    I find the idea that the Ewoks could build such effective traps without ever having fought the Empire, or anything big enough to need traps that size, sillier.
  24. Placeholder Force Ghost

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    Of course, and you are presenting your opinion. It's fine that they differ.
  25. EvilQ Jedi Master

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    LOL, all I can think of when I see this is "Prepare your anus."[face_laugh]
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