Excelsior!! The Marvel Universe on Film (Spoilers Allowed)

Discussion in 'Archive: SF&F: Films and Television' started by Jedi Merkurian, Jul 25, 2008.

  1. Jedi Merkurian ST Thread Reaper and Rumor Naysayer

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    With the tie-ins between Hulk and Iron Man, and the announcement of a series of movies that lead up to the Avengers on the big screen, perhaps it's time we had a unified Marvel Universe discussion thread...
  2. Spiderfan Jedi Knight

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    I am wondering if the other properties start reverting back to Marvel will they try to relaunch much the same as they did with Hulk and tie them in better with the grander universe. One can only hope we get better takes on Daredevil and Fantastic Four. And I would love to see Spidey tie in with other characters and have more cross cameoing.
  3. The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth

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    Marvel has said they are waiting for the rights for Daredevil to revert back to them before pursuing a new Daredevil movie.

    I personally don't think they'll redo the origin though- it gets some flack from people, but the Director's Cut was really good, and the movie was a pretty solid hit theatrically. And, IMO, it's not that much worse than Burton's first Batman movie overall. Certainly not terrible enough, or enough-off-the-mark-of-the-character (it was one of the better, grittier, comic book scripts up until that point) to warrant a total redo.
  4. Jedi Merkurian ST Thread Reaper and Rumor Naysayer

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    " And I would love to see Spidey tie in with other characters and have more cross cameoing."

    Especially if they were able to somehow show the practical jokes that Spidey and the Human Torch play on one another...
  5. The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth

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    I don't think you'll ever see Spidey crossover unless Marvel STudios teams with Sony on a picture. There's no way Sony will ever let the Spidey rights revert back to Marvel, and Marvel knows they can pretty much ask for any amount they want to renew those rights because they both know the movies will make far more. They can use the money from just renewing the Spidey rights to fund 3 other Marvel Studio movies.
  6. Spiderfan Jedi Knight

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    Thats why I am suggesting they aim for more of an Incredible Hulk kinda thing...well minus the opening sequence where they rework the origin. Vague continuity I believe the term is. :p
  7. Darth_Omega Jedi Grand Master

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    How long will it be before Wolverine has a guest appearance in every Marvel movie? :p
  8. twodaynojoke Jedi Youngling

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    in a deleted scene on on the fantastic four movies, mr. fantastic changes his face to look like his
    so he's kinda in the movie
    the scene is kinda funny
  9. henchman24 Jedi Youngling

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    Captain America: The First Avenger(working title I believe) is slated for 2011. I imagine this will coincide with, if not be the basis for the Avengers movie...if they decide to do one. I am wondering how many more stand alone features they can put out before that time, to set up the crossover. Or perhaps the intention is to reveal some characters in the actual Avengers release itself.

    I am really pumped for this...Cap being my favorite super hero. After seeing the new Hulk, and watching Tim Roth go at the Hulk out in that field when he was juiced up, it really made me think of how cool they could make a Cap feature. Especially after the previous abortion.
  10. Vortigern99 Manager Emeritus

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    The current plan is to release Captain America in May of 2011, and follow that two months later, in July 2011, with the Avengers movie. It's a bold idea, which they may re-think, since Incredible Hulk did not fare so well in the wake of Iron Man's success.
  11. Spiderfan Jedi Knight

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    I think the lack of success surrounding The Incredible Hulk has more to do withe stigma attached to the first Hulk than the success of Iron Man. And with the build up over the next 2-3 years of Marvel Movies tieing into Avengers I can't see it being hindered by cap's success by riding high off of it.
  12. soitscometothis Jedi Grand Master

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    Dark Horizons are reporting a rumour that Will Smith was offered the part of Captain America, here.


    It's not obvious casting, but Will Smith is a big star, and a likeable one at that. However, I suspect that even if it was true, he probably turned it down.

    Edited for spelling incompetence.:oops:
  13. Spiderfan Jedi Knight

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    I am going to assume that if this is true he is likely going to play Isaiah Bradley's Captain America, not the Steve Rogers Captain America...I hope.
  14. RolandofGilead Manager Emeritus

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    I love the fact that they plan to interlock all the future Marvel movies together like the comics. It was one of the coolest things about the Paul Dini DC Universe that the world was linked from Batman the Animated Series to Justice League Unlimited.

    I know the new Punisher movie is now under Marvel's guidance, any chance Frank Castle will be linked to the Avengers world begun with Hulk and Iron Man?
  15. Koohii Jedi Master

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    You know, one of the things I think the Bruce Timm DC cartoons did best was have all the heroes & villains mixed in. Sure, at first there was only Batman, but as they went on, they included references to everyone else. Superman had numerous references to BatMan before their cross-over story, and it introduced Steel, Green Lantern, and others. (odd that none of Batman's side-kicks ever turned up in Justice League).
    People were ooohing & ahhhing about Green Arrow when he showed up in SmallVille
    About the best thing in the pilot movie for the Blade TV show was the reference to Marc Spectre (Moon Knight).

    In short, using the complete reference to other characters, even if they never show up, helps tie the universe of the movies together.
    I'd love to see something similar happen to Marvel. Last time I saw anything like that was in the 90s when the Spider-man cartoon had Spidey visit the X-Men.
  16. The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth

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    AFAIK, Punisher is still not a "Marvel Studios" movie like Hulk & Iron Man- the rights are still owned/licensed by Lionsgate. So it seems unlikely he'll show up in Avengers unless the rights revert back abnormally quickly.

    Justice League was restricted from using most of the Bat characters outside of Batman and Batman Beyond stuff, apparently so it wouldn't compete/confuse with other "The Batman" show.

    I didn't catch that reference on the Blade show. And you're wrong the best part of the Blade Tv show was everything except for Blade ;) Still a shame that show was cancelled- it got really good after they realized the actor playing Blade sucked and should only be used as a "force of nature" type character while the plot focuses on the more interesting characters.
  17. Spiderfan Jedi Knight

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    Blame that on the licensing issues.
  18. Koohii Jedi Master

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    yeah, same reason they had to change character names from "The Tick" animated show to "The Tick" live show--Fox Kids was a separate company from Fox Studios, and the lawyers wouldn't share.
  19. Spiderfan Jedi Knight

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    Its the reason why little things that should have been simple crossovers have been big no-nos. Like Ben Urich in Daredevil working for the New York Post not the Daily Bugle, as Sony had rights to the Daily Bugle. I mean how great would it have been to have Joey Pantoliano arguing with Jameson over a story when Parker walks in, or you see articles on Jameson's wall referencing Daredevil, the Mutant Menace, or the world's introduction to the Fantastic Four. I realize these moments aren't necessary to the story but they add a whole level of texture that really makes the world look real.

    I mean imagine moments like Nick Fury in Iron Man or seeing Stark in The Incredible Hulk for a few minutes but within the world of Spider-Man and the X-Men. Thanks to the licencing agreements it looks like thats not possible right now for certain properties.

    Sorry thats the end of my rant. :p

  20. Darth-Lando Jedi Grand Master

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    Marvel really has no one to blame but themselves for that though. After the first X-Men movie came out studios started clamoring to buy up as many superhero properties as the could. WB owns DC so all the studios looked to Marvel who was fresh out of bankrupcy. I doubt Marvel could have predicted just how popular the superhero genre would get so they just started selling off character rights to the highest bidder. It made a lot of finacial sense at the time. As it stands now, the non-Marvel movie properties look like this:

    Sony - Spider-Man
    Fox - X-Men, Daredevil, Fantastic Four
    Lion's Gate - Punisher
    Columbia - Ghost Rider
    New Line - Blade

    We could potentially see a crossover with the Fox properties but I wouldn't hold my breath.
  21. Spiderfan Jedi Knight

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    Sony=Columbia ;)

    And sadly Fox is looking to rejuvinate the comic franchises it owns, including Daredevil, which I was hoping would revert back to Marvel so they could take a better stab at the character.
  22. Darth-Lando Jedi Grand Master

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    Meh, whatever. :p
  23. Koohii Jedi Master

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    It's a big step in world building.
    Finally saw Iron Man today (arrived from NetFlix).
    It was pretty good. To be honest, I would have enjoyed it more if people had not been ranting and raving about how fabulous it was and yadda yadda yadda... Hype hype hype.

    At this time, I'd like to once again put in my vote for the animated/anime movies that were released on DVD.
  24. The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth

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    Small bit of good news- according to AICN, JMS completed a rewrite on the script. His run on Thor so far has been really good, so, great to hear!
  25. The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth

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    wow!