Excelsior!! The Marvel Universe on Film (Spoilers Allowed)

Discussion in 'Archive: SF&F: Films and Television' started by Jedi Merkurian, Jul 25, 2008.

  1. Darth_Hydra Force Ghost

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    [image=http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/destroyer-spy-pic-1.jpg]

    Is that the same one as the one you're talking about? The one at Latino Review has been taken down, and this will probably be gone by tomorrow as well.
  2. The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth

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    Finalized concept art for the costumes:

    [image=http://www.collider.com/wp-content/uploads/thor_concept_art_chris_hemsworth_02.jpg] [image=http://www.collider.com/wp-content/uploads/thor_concept_art_chris_hemsworth_01.jpg]
    [image=http://www.aintitcool.com/images2009/capam1.jpg] [image=http://www.aintitcool.com/images2009/capam2.jpg]
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    AVENGERS- ASSEMBLE!

    [image=http://www.collider.com/wp-content/uploads/thor_concept_art_chris_hemsworth_02.jpg] [image=http://www.aintitcool.com/images2009/capam4.jpg] [image=http://larryfire.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/iron-man-2-poster.jpg]
    [image=http://dietrichthrall.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/iron_man_2_black_widow.jpg] [image=http://screenrant.com/images/the-incredible-hulk-trailer.jpg] [image=http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_6YBW5OgZA4E/S7XVmmqnxUI/AAAAAAAAAOc/2favEVIK9Mc/s400/Iron%2BMan%2B2%2BNick%2BFury.jpg]
  3. The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth

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    ?Frank Castle is under the roof of Marvel Studios now and we hope to bring him into the fray shortly.?

    [face_dancing]

    Also, the Avengers have been assembled:

    [image=http://www.aintitcool.com/images2009/CC10avengers3big.jpg]
  4. Zebra3 Force Ghost

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    :cool:

    So, what's the official Avengers lineup as of right now?
  5. The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth

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    RDJ as Iron Man, Chris Evans as Cap, Chris Hemsworth as Thor, Jeremy Renner as Hawkeye, Mark Ruffalo as Bruce Banner, with Scarlet as Black Widow, Gregg as Coulson and SLJ as Fury. Whedon is confirmed to be directing.
  6. Koohii Jedi Grand Master

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    No Ed Norton? :confused: Damn.
  7. Jedi Merkurian Episode VII Thread-Reaper

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    Yeah, the rumored scuttlebutt was "Does not play well with others."
  8. The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth

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    Yeah there was a semi-public argument between Norton and Marvel. It's been suggested that Norton wanted too much pay or too much control, or that Marvel wanted to lower cast costs, and then someone from Marvel said they were looking for someone who worked more cooperatively with the cast/crew or some such- then Norton and his agent blasted back at that accusation with a public letter on his site, etc.

    So the short of it is, Norton still wanted to do, Marvel balked at something (whether justified or not), and then the PR rift ensured Norton would not be in Avengers.
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  10. StarWarrior92 Jedi Master

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    I'm looking forward to Captain America and the Avengers film; gonna pretend like the new Spider-Man film doesn't exist....
  11. Magellan_the_Cat Jedi Master

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    OK, this is about a broadway show, not a film, but I don't think it deserves a whole new thread...

    I went to see Spider-Man: Turn Off the Dark this week while visiting NYC.

    Uh... [face_sick]:mad::oops:[face_hypnotized][face_beatup]
    Where to even begin.
    This is a broadway show that went way, way, waaaaayyyy over-budget, with all manner of delays, complications, and actors being injured while rehearsing the wire-work stunts.
    what can I say about this show that is positive.
    Um, it is loud. By 'loud', I mean my fillings were rattling in my teeth (and I was sitting in the middle of the main floor/orchestra, not right in front of the speekers). No, I am not exaggerating for some stupid effect. It was that LOUD. I mean
    L OOO U U DD
    L OO OO U U D D
    L O O U U D D
    L OO OO U UU D D
    LLLLL OOO UU U DD
    Imagine strapping yourself to a speaker at any rock concert (particularly some metal band with a lot of bass). That is how loud it was. So if you ignore anything else about my comments, PLEASE do yourself a favor, and bring ear-plugs. My ears were still ringing the next day.
    What else is 'good'? Well, some of the wire effects are pretty neat, if unimaginative.

    Now, granted modern broadway musicals emphasize spectacle over substance, story, and writing (like the SW prequels).
    But this...
    Just the title: Turn Off the Dark. What does that even mean? It doesn't make sense in normal context, nor is there any explanation anywhere in the play. It just doesn't. Where did this come from? What is it supposed to do? Where is the reference? Uhhg.

    Costuming: well, they got Spider-Man right, but that's about it. The villains that show up (won't comment on the F***-ed up origins) look absolutely horrible. One is a giant inflatable puppet, the Green Goblin design makes the power-rangers costume from the first S-M movie look good. "Generic Villains' have weird masks that look like a melted Day-of-the-dead sculpture mixed with greek comedy/tragedy masks. Some are supposed to look 'realistic', some stylized, and some, well, just weird.
    Music: aside from being LOUD, the songs (written by Bono if anyone cares) are utterly vapid and insipid. They do nothing to inspire, and are about twice the volume of the regular dialog. No one would ever know or recognize them outside of the play (whereas anyone hearing someone singing (for example) 'Maria' or 'Anything Goes' would likely be able recognize the reference). In other words, the songs don't stand out on their own.
    Set Design and Props: Some of it is pretty, but the design is schizophrenic--some of it is 'realistic', some of it seems to be based on the Sony Movies, some of it looks like it is supposed to be 'comic-bookie' stylized, and some of it is just bizarre. The villains on rampages are shown on projected rear-image panels that move back and forth, with the costume versions of the characters and CGI simulations to show off their powers. It doesn't work. It really doesn't. Like the music, the effect is loud, but ineffective.
    Characters: Well, J.J.Jameson was the closest to correctly portrayed. Who the hell is "Swarm"? Never heard of the character. And Swiss Miss? A silver-foil plated dark-skinned woman with spikey/pointy weapons sticking out of her? W.T.F!!!![face_hypnotized] Other characters are a mishmash of movie versions, comic versions, and twisted perversions of their origins that border on unrecognizable.
    Story: a totally botched version of the origin and fight with the first Green Goblin. Another WTF were they thinking. They didn't even get Uncle Ben's quote about power and responsibility right--they substituted something about Rise Above it All, which turned into another obnoxious song with many reprises.
    Acting: well, considering the complete and utter mess they had to work with, the Actors are the only thing that could even try to redeem this steaming pile of road-apples. They didn't stand a chance. The stunt doubles to a decent job of striking all the right poses.

    I guess if you knew nothing whatsoever about Spider-man, and cared less, yo
  12. Zebra3 Force Ghost

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    Shameful confession: I actually have the soundtrack to Turn Off the Dark. I kind of dig it.
  13. Koohii Jedi Grand Master

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    Well, after watching Iron Man 2, Captain America, and (just now) Thor, I have no hope for Avengers. Not unless something drastically different is done.

    Even the cheezy 80s Hulk & Thor movie was a better adaptation of Thor.
    Captain America was just boring.
    Iron Man 2 was a letdown.
    X-Men First class didn't work, and was perhaps the worst of the marvel movies ever released (even topping the 1970s Doctor Strange and Spider-man and the Chinese Web)

    What happened?
    We had X-men, X2, Iron Man, (Norton) Hulk, X3, and X-men Origins:Wolverine

    Then... We got garbage.
    Maybe if the production team goes back to see what the first X-men movie did correctly, then there's a remote chance of Avengers being good. It just doesn't seem likely though.
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    Well, the X-Men movies do not factor into the Avengers series.

    However, FC being worse than X3 or Wolverine? I can't say I agree with that at all. X3 spit on what made the first two films great and Wolverine was only half a good movie that managed to screw up the only 10 seconds of continuity it was required to maintain as well as screwing up Deadpool despite perfect casting.

    Now, FC did have it's own continuity problems (however, they could theoretically be explained in the sequel, unlike Wolverine's) and Shaw didn't work 100% (but wasn't bad) but it at least found the soul of the original 2 movies again.
  15. Darth_Gamek Jedi Grand Master

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    Wolverine had continuity problems? :confused:
  16. Koohii Jedi Grand Master

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    I realize X-men movies are not tied directly to Avengers (aside from both being Marvel properties).
    However, X-men provided a great deal of information for a super-hero team and their personalities in a single movie (OK, they're all mutants, but vastly different backgrounds and powers), and made it all work. The first two movies were good. X3 wasn't great, but it was OK--just a huge letdown after 1&2. Kinda like RotJ was after ESB. Origins was enjoyable in spite of several dubious decisions (plot and character).
    I couldn't get into FC. It was too hard to suspend disbelief, and the effects weren't up to the standards set by any of the other movies--they looked fake, with the quality I would expect from a low-budget SyFy channel flick, or FOX mfTV movie.

    Avengers, now, has had 5 movies to build up individual character histories as a prelude. 2 good (IM1 and Hulk), 1 meh (IM2) and 2 yuck (CA:TFA and Thor). I have to think that this is not a good foundation.
    Contrast this with the Avengers Assemble Cartoon, in which characters are introduced pretty much from scratch (you didn't have to see the IM or Hulk movies, but it helped a little), did and did so with pretty tight scripts. At least 2 major characters were introduced with each of the first 10 episodes, and they were shown in their own element(s) before bringing them all together. Each one was tied in to a unified story, and told in a good sequential way before they all meet together in one place.

    I very much doubt that the people in charge of the current Avengers movie under development will be able to come even close to that level of movie, even after building on 5 previous movies for material.
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    While I disagree about Thor and Cap as movies, I wuldn't underestimate Whedon when it comes to handling ensembles. He's been pretty good with that. And his "these guys have no reason to be in the same movie" approach sounds like it meshes well with your opinions of the movies ;),

    With FC, I actually didn't think the FX were ever bad (except for maybe Banshee's flying, which often didn't quite look right). Wolverine still holds the trophy for worst FX in the series though- I'm still confused how his claw effects could look so bad in some of those scenes. The one with him in the bathroom mirror in particular looked like animatic temp effects.


    Gamek- the escape from the Weapon X facility/Wolverine getting the adamantium does not match up with the flashbacks from X1/X2. Even the exterior door to the facility he comes out of is in a completely different location- now with a waterfall.

    So, unless one argues the flashbacks were faulty memories on Logan's part (which discredits Prof X or doesn't track with the specific triggers), there's no way to reconcile the two (unlke the errors in FC).
  18. Darth_Gamek Jedi Grand Master

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    Well, that was a little vague. First Class's continuity issues, on the other hand, stood out like a sore thumb, specifically Xavier being paralyzed at a younger age whilst flashbacks in X3 and Wolverine showed him with working legs as an adult. :oops:
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    Agreed- though that can still be explained in a sequel (astral projection, temporary cure, Magneto manipulating somekind of support frame, etc).

    What bugs me though, is that while FC has the excuse that it's dealing with the backstory to 4 films that it needed to maintain continuity with, Wolverine had literally 15 seconds of film it had to maintain continuity with, and it couldn't even do that.
  20. Koohii Jedi Grand Master

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    Terrain changes. Different entrance. New dam built since the old one, with another WeaponX disaster.
    Considering the plot problems, effects problems, and writing problems, Origins isn't nearly as big a disaster as FC.

    FC had good casting. That's it. Origins had meat on the bones of the characters, story (with a few glitches), FX that didn't make me cringe, decent casting (Gambit really didn't need to be there), and was entertaining. I was able to lose myself into the movie.
  21. The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth

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    It can't be a different entrance unless the crazed Wolverine broke out of the lab, escaped from the facility, then realized he made a wrong turn, went back inside and then escaped a second time through a different entrance ;).

    Wolverine was half a good movie to me- up until he escapes, it's very good. After that, not as much, IMO (and not just because of the escape continuity ;)).

    I did like them trying to develop the STryker/Wolverine stuff, and some of the other elements. But that backhalf was just kinda a mess.
  22. Darth_Gamek Jedi Grand Master

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    Really, my only problem with Wolverine (that I can think of) is with his wife supposedly dying. Shouldn't he be able to tell if she's dead or not?

    But aside from that, it's a decent movie. Loved the appearances from Wade Wilson/Deadpool, Gambit, and a young Scott Summers.
  23. Jedi Merkurian Episode VII Thread-Reaper

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    Koohii doesn't like something. Excuse me while I die of shock [face_mischief]

    I found myself surprised by how much I like CA-tFA. I thought it did a great job of depicting Cap as a genuinely good good guy without descending into Superman-level cheesiness. I'm a bit sick of the whole "must-overcome-his-inner-demons" schtick and found Cap to be refreshing in that regard.

    And if you wanna talk continuity, the interlinking between the movies since the first Iron Man has been a veritable gold mine.
  24. Darth_Gamek Jedi Grand Master

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    LOL, I remembered someone saying he didn't get why SLJ was appearing in the end of every Avenger film, and just assumed he would appear in the end of every single movie from now on, even non-Avenger ones. :p
  25. Koohii Jedi Grand Master

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    There have been lots of little details, but for the most part they haven't been explained. To a generalist (anyone not a comic book fan), they would be meaningless until the comic-book geek sitting next the them tried to explain it.
    Sure, there's good stuff in there, but it hasn't tied together, nor does it seem close--more like a series of throw-away gags.
    Yeah, count all the X's in the X-men movies.
    :)
    I'd prefer a set of really, really good movies, that, if they tied together, great, if not, still bloody fantastic. The way Marvel should be. I won't even get into what annoyed me with Thor.